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I think that maybe some folk have been a bit spoilt if they think £12 an hour is bottom of the barrel wages
I have to be honest that I wouldn’t want to try and sustain my lifestyle on it.
I think that maybe some folk have been a bit spoilt if they think £12 an hour is bottom of the barrel wages
I have to be honest that I wouldn’t want to try and sustain my lifestyle on it.
£12 hour on the books is decent money, not so good if it was self employed.I think that maybe some folk have been a bit spoilt if they think £12 an hour is bottom of the barrel wages
Dont blame you if you don't take first class your
children will undoubtedly go on your behalf.
It’s quite simple if you want to have a life, don’t work on a farm.
To be totally honest mate, I’ve done it, so yea, I know it sucks. But maybe I’m different, I don’t expect to be given what I want, feel like I’ve got to graft for it.
Interesting you mention being the key worker who stops gran lying in her own sh*t, in this country, low pay, low skill. In say Scandinavia, same position pays much better and is more respected, but the employee would be expected to hold a uni degree in social pedagogy, to hold the same position.
Also, just for the record, who was even talking about minimum wage ? Very very few folk in ag will be offering minimum wage. I don’t think anyone has been complaining about what they have to pay to get good employees, they are complaining that whatever you pay, you get dross.
You get a little excited about the idea that every employee is being shafted by employers paying under what they should. I pay good money and I’ve been stolen from, lied to, they’ve tried to steal ground off me etc, not to mention being fairly useless at the job and more interested in snap chat and looking cool. I could have doubled the money and they still would have been little weasels.
Problem I’ve found is the lack of self awareness in that some people have very little concept of their own limitations and lack of skills/knowledge, often coupled with an assumption that they are always right.
I’m open to investing in people if it’s returned in a good attitude and interest in the job. Skills are an irrelevance in my opinion, they can be taught, good attitudes can’t.
The OP asks why is there shortages of home grown labour?
In my opinion a lot of it is simply down to bad attitudes and an inflated sense of self importance brought about by weak parenting created, in turn, by woolly, hand wringing, short term, populist politics.
as to how to fix it, haven’t a clue.
How many people commenting on this thread are employees?
On local tv news this evening prepared ve
I honestly don’t think I agree. Yes you’re right, you get a bigger pool of choice in theory. What I’m saying is that there is a fairly major attitudinal issue with regard to work these days. There are lots and lots of folk offering good, higher than average wages, and struggling to get anyone decent or anyone at all. I don’t think that £12-15 an hour for driving about checking sheep or standing about a race shoving a few sheep up, is bad at all! Yer sure you could say if you offered £35 a hour you’d get better folk. Well if you offered £75 k a year you’d get better etc but there has to be some kind of sense.
cant be doing that well if you haven't got the time or money to wash or buy soap.
He's building natural immunity so he doesn't need a covid jab.cant be doing that well if you haven't got the time or money to wash or buy soap.
not surprised considering some of the reports iveheard from , of people whove had them...He's building natural immunity so he doesn't need a covid jab.
Good idea. Giving the Mrs orf on her fanny will not help marital relations!not surprised considering some of the reports iveheard from , of people whove had them...
few thistles here unfortunately, this year , bit of orf yesterday i noted, when drenching against nemo, , i give them a good scrub whilst singin happy birthday last night that's fer sure.
We're back to the same problem again, no one really wants to be an employee. Many people with the desire to crack on these days want to be their own boss, so spend as little time as possible being an employee before starting out by themselves. I'm guessing you're another example of this?
Big companies employ sub contractors now, because they think it saves money (maybe it does) the kind of person that becomes a contractor is the same person who would have been the employee in the old system. Now they see a chance to get out and be a 'boss', so they set up as a sub contractor and hire staff to do the job they would have been doing, in the old system. I think it makes things more inefficient, but what do I know.
Anyone good, who does not want to be their own boss, has more options regarding pay, hours, job description etc and can quickly become quite comfortable without the stress of running a business or doing a crap job.
Take out those that won't work as well and you end up with quite a small group of people to do the lower paid, less desirable but essential jobs
When I was a kid just getting a job was a big deal but now there's more choice, so you can be more selective. Can't really blame people for that.
i truely blame the countries education system, from primary schools right through to univercities, children , young people are continualy told promised that a so called educated qualificationaled way to go ? doing work with your hands getting dirty is wrong, all this has done is lend to the growth of further educational uninis ? teaching cources that only benifit the poorly educated lecturers ? letting down and demolishing the hopes of the young students? many many of which would have been better off both finacially and of getting a job if they had gone straight in to a job at leaving school or as they have in america going on to to trade school ? p.s. some of the best workers, sucessful business people i know didnt have any what you would call a proper education ?