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I think that maybe some folk have been a bit spoilt if they think £12 an hour is bottom of the barrel wages
I have to be honest that I wouldn’t want to try and sustain my lifestyle on it.
WHY IS THERE SUCH A SHORTAGE OF LABOUR IN EVERY INDUSTRY IN THIS COUNTRY?
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I have to be honest that I wouldn’t want to try and sustain my lifestyle on it.
lloyd
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- Herefordshire
Dont blame you, if you don't take first class your
children will undoubtedly go on your behalf.
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had e nuff
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- Durham
£12 hour on the books is decent money, not so good if it was self employed.I think that maybe some folk have been a bit spoilt if they think £12 an hour is bottom of the barrel wages
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- Scottish Highlands
Not flying anywhere these days!
Ivorbiggun
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- Norfolk
It’s quite simple if you want to have a life, don’t work on a farm.
CopperBeech
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- A Welsh man lost in England
CopperBeech
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- A Welsh man lost in England
ollie989898
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The OP mentions how so many industries are having trouble finding staff. I thus naturally discussed businesses in general but didn't specifically mention agriculture as I know you rarely, if ever, see any job adverts for anything agricultural involving mention of minimum wage. I know some people do earn a very reasonable salary from the industry and are far from what I would class as unskilled.
Interesting that you would describe key worker type stuff as unskilled. I personally wouldn't say it was totally unskilled: rather more noggin involved than working in a bar or cinema by my estimation. I'm very proud of what I have learned and achieved in my time whilst doing it, I'm fortunate that I can afford to work for that kind of wage in the short term though and would say that there are very few people of my age bracket doing it- as I said, most of my colleagues are either much younger or much older than me.
I've no issue whatsoever with employers offering whatever they like, I've written at length that private enterprise should be left to get on with making money (within the realms of the law)- I've merely said that I find it curious they are complaining there is no decent staff about yet they are offering minimum wage. I also outlined that I felt £8.91 is basically a non-starter for anyone who doesn't fit the school leaver/uni student or semi-retired bracket because most of us have substantial everyday living expenses.
As for employees being dishonest, fraud, theft and the like, unfortunately that is part and parcel of the everyday public and happens in all walks of life and at all levels. Human nature is an interesting thing.
ollie989898
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I would agree with much of what you have written. It is cultural and also a by product I think, of the Blair years. Government grew massively over time and people basically won't do anything for themselves and expect to be spoon fed all their lives.
I would hazard a guess that the majority of us here know what a 100 working week feels like and know how to graft if we want to. With that kind of mindset (and also the stamina/health to do it) you can probably earn a reasonable living doing virtually anything in the UK as there is actually a lot of opportunity in the UK for people with even no skills, experience or qualifications.
ollie989898
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Me.
kiwi pom
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- canterbury NZ
We're back to the same problem again, no one really wants to be an employee. Many people with the desire to crack on these days want to be their own boss, so spend as little time as possible being an employee before starting out by themselves. I'm guessing you're another example of this?
Big companies employ sub contractors now, because they think it saves money (maybe it does) the kind of person that becomes a contractor is the same person who would have been the employee in the old system. Now they see a chance to get out and be a 'boss', so they set up as a sub contractor and hire staff to do the job they would have been doing, in the old system. I think it makes things more inefficient, but what do I know.
Anyone good, who does not want to be their own boss, has more options regarding pay, hours, job description etc and can quickly become quite comfortable without the stress of running a business or doing a crap job.
Take out those that won't work as well and you end up with quite a small group of people to do the lower paid, less desirable but essential jobs
When I was a kid just getting a job was a big deal but now there's more choice, so you can be more selective. Can't really blame people for that.
cant be doing that well if you haven't got the time or money to wash or buy soap.
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He's building natural immunity so he doesn't need a covid jab.
not surprised considering some of the reports iveheard from , of people whove had them...
few thistles here unfortunately, this year , bit of orf yesterday i noted, when drenching against nemo, , i give them
a good scrub whilst singin happy birthday last night that's fer sure.
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Good idea. Giving the Mrs orf on her fanny will not help marital relations!not surprised considering some of the reports iveheard from , of people whove had them...
few thistles here unfortunately, this year , bit of orf yesterday i noted, when drenching against nemo, , i give them
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We're in a good times weak men phase, that's why the idle fückers won't work.
i truely blame the countries education system, from primary schools right through to univercities, children , young people are continualy told promised that a so called educated qualificationaled way to go ? doing work with your hands getting dirty is wrong, all this has done is lend to the growth of further educational uninis ? teaching cources that only benifit the poorly educated lecturers ? letting down and demolishing the hopes of the young students? many many of which would have been better off both finacially and of getting a job if they had gone straight in to a job at leaving school or as they have in america going on to to trade school ? p.s. some of the best workers, sucessful business people i know didnt have any what you would call a proper education ?
kiwi pom
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Plenty of people do VERY well after a university education though.
My brothers mate left school with bugger all exams and worked on farms for the summer but then decided to re do GCSE's and work up to the university thing.
He was the only person at Manchester Uni milking cows at the weekends
As soon as he graduated he started work in IT and cracked on up the ladder. Tripping over money now, his lifetime income so far is very different to my brothers, who carried on doing farm work.
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- Portsmouth
As soon as my boys are old enough they will "earn" any pocket money they get.
Of course they will also get gifts on occasions, but on the whole if they want something, they need to learn its got to be earned.
Once they are teenagers if they don't find a part time/weekend job I will send them to work. I will happily subsidize or cover their wages working as a labourer for a tradesman if nothing is available. bumping tiles / blocks up a ladder onto scaffold or washing dishes in a pub etc
I will also try to teach them about saving a portion of wages, and compound interest etc as I wish my parents had attempted to give me a financial education as a young lad! I dread to think what I frittered away that could have been building up a nice pot.
God I sound like miserable old git!
Of course they will also get gifts on occasions, but on the whole if they want something, they need to learn its got to be earned.
Once they are teenagers if they don't find a part time/weekend job I will send them to work. I will happily subsidize or cover their wages working as a labourer for a tradesman if nothing is available. bumping tiles / blocks up a ladder onto scaffold or washing dishes in a pub etc
I will also try to teach them about saving a portion of wages, and compound interest etc as I wish my parents had attempted to give me a financial education as a young lad! I dread to think what I frittered away that could have been building up a nice pot.
God I sound like miserable old git!