Why should I stay..............

Hilly

Member
When you are part of a community and language and culture that is being swamped by immigrants and whose youngsters and even more mature people haven't got a hope in hell of competing for houses in their own community, then you are breeding resentment and anarchy. That can only go on for so long before it boils over.
Is that acceptable to you? Or should something along the Danish lines be done to slow it down to a trickle? The English certainly don't like it when it happens to their communities even when the people only stay temporarily and pay rents and actually work and pay taxes while there.
We are all part of a community like that it happens everywhere all over , think your self lucky you getting retired types , could be a lot worse I can assure you .
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
When you are part of a community and language and culture that is being swamped by immigrants and whose youngsters and even more mature people haven't got a hope in hell of competing for houses in their own community, then you are breeding resentment and anarchy. That can only go on for so long before it boils over.
Is that acceptable to you? Or should something along the Danish lines be done to slow it down to a trickle? The English certainly don't like it when it happens to their communities even when the people only stay temporarily and pay rents and actually work and pay taxes while there.
How far do you want to go
Nobody from another part of the UK
Nobody from another country outside the UK
Nobody from another county
Nobody from another village
Where do you want to draw the line, that is if you want to draw the line ?
 

toquark

Member
When you have something to sell for a few million but some dick says you can only sell to poor locals for 100k you will soon change your minds tho eh.
This is it, it’s not an easy one and it’s the same problem anywhere in the countryside.

The big issue generally is house prices, there is a generation who have been made exceptionally wealthy by virtue of the fact they bought a home at the right time. This is at the expense of younger generations and those unfortunate enough to belong somewhere “desirable”.

there is no doubt that incoming retirees breed resentment round here though. It’s not their fault and at an individual level they’re fine folk, but as a group and with their buying power they present a problem to the local population. Then there’s the cultural issue.
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
We are all part of a community like that it happens everywhere all over , think your self lucky you getting retired types , could be a lot worse I can assure you .
In towns and some larger villages we are also getting social misfits. Some say that the County Council is being incentivised to rehouse ‘problem’ families, but I cannot prove that. What I do know is that Ceredigion now has a massive illegal drugs problem and many people in the community know who the dealers are but the police do absolutely nothing about them. These aren’t the problem immigrants either, that I’m on about here but the younger generation of some respected and hardworking very well established families.
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
How far do you want to go
Nobody from another part of the UK
Nobody from another country outside the UK
Nobody from another county
Nobody from another village
Where do you want to draw the line, that is if you want to draw the line ?
Denmark manages.
Australia manages.
New Zealand manages.
I’m sure that many other parts of the World manages.
Here I was thinking of the paradox of those that want to ‘take back control’ not having the slightest clue on how to utilise that control even within their borders let alone at their border.
 

Hilly

Member
In towns and some larger villages we are also getting social misfits. Some say that the County Council is being incentivised to rehouse ‘problem’ families, but I cannot prove that. What I do know is that Ceredigion now has a massive illegal drugs problem and many people in the community know who the dealers are but the police do absolutely nothing about them. These aren’t the problem immigrants either, that I’m on about here but the younger generation of some respected and hardworking very well established families.
It’s the same all over , my little local town gets the Glasgow arse holes and all the issues they bring, drugs etc the story can be repeated everywhere that dose t make it any better though but your not alone , small villages here all holiday homes shops shut or struggle pubs close or struggle mainly cos they can’t sell , small schools are buggerd as all hill homes . Etc etc right across the U.K. everywhere .
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
It’s the same all over , my little local town gets the Glasgow arse holes and all the issues they bring, drugs etc the story can be repeated everywhere that dose t make it any better though but your not alone , small villages here all holiday homes shops shut or struggle pubs close or struggle mainly cos they can’t sell , small schools are buggerd as all hill homes . Etc etc right across the U.K. everywhere .
I think you need to get out more. This is an invasion of foreign immigrants with a different language, culture and age demographic, any one of which is problematic but in combination is death to the language and the active community and a massive strain on local services.
 

Hilly

Member
I think you need to get out more. This is an invasion of foreign immigrants with a different language, culture and age demographic, any one of which is problematic but in combination is death to the language and the active community and a massive strain on local services.
Get out more ? I’ve just told you it’s happening all over your the one that fixated on your own back yard . Unless you massively devalue property what else is the out come , can you imagine the consequences of devaluing property across the U.K. ? It’s happening all over and always has , I’ve had relatives emigrate to America in search of better life etc etc because of similar problems it’s the way of the world no one has a right to have cheap property locally to where they were born they have to go out and earn the money , look at the Irish they all leave in search of their fortune but you want to sit in Wales and be spoon fed cheap property because your local , on your bike with that idea .
 

quattro

Member
Location
scotland
You can’t solve this issue by blaming those who sell. Price will usually prevail. I think there should be some controls on who can buy rural property, 4 of my 5 closest neighbours are moneyed English retirees. Of course they are perfectly decent people, but I know of two young local couples priced out by them when they bought.

Like all immigration - and that’s essentially what we’re talking about here - it’s a question of scale and speed. Get the balance right and very few will quibble, get it wrong and you get the darker side of humanity rearing it’s head.
There’s lots of locals been out priced by city folk buying second homes in parts of England
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Burning other peoples houses is a disgraceful thing to do. The 70's phase could quite easily ended with deaths.
Anyhoo, I'm not that bothered who buys local houses as such, what pishes me off is the routine they all go though.....buy house / cottage.....get builders in.....completely alter/ extend property......12 months of builders vans, skips, JCB's pecking away at rocks, shouting " Oi Dean " all day long..... make a f**k up of connecting their phone line/ getting their postal address wrong ( which I spend time having to sort out )........then sell up 6 months later, only for the whole saga to repeat itself.
At any one time in my hamlet, one third of the properties are being renovated. Probably quite good for local tradesmen, but it's like living in a permanent building site.
 

X344chap

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Central Scotland
I wouldn't say that they were 'quite right' but Denmark certainly manages the issue rather than tries to ignore it while resentment continues to rise rapidly causing all of the worse of human nature to rear its ugly head.
Denmark ... Theres another country with pop of 5 million who are quite capable of governing themselves with their own resources and talents without needinga parliament in another country to do it for them.
 

Hilly

Member
I had a couple here last week for south east of U.K. , thought our property in the borders is cheap and going to buy a 1 million quid house for holidays as where they from would be 3 million , should the seller not sell to them as they would be retired immigrants? Oh you can’t have 1 million you have to sell to a local who can only afford 300k . ? Don’t thinks so, takes new peopel to pull places up sometimes , I see new farmers buying places spend fortunes doing them up etc etc better than most the bloody locals , same with houses people move around get over it .
Denmark manages.
Australia manages.
New Zealand manages.
I’m sure that many other parts of the World manages.
Here I was thinking of the paradox of those that want to ‘take back control’ not having the slightest clue on how to utilise that control even within their borders let alone at their border.
Australia , New Zealand have a lot of Chinese people buying property pushing prices up .
 

toquark

Member
There’s lots of locals been out priced by city folk buying second homes in parts of England
Yes, but because they are predominantly English, it feeds into the nationalist narrative of resentment that Scots are hard done by by their wealthy Southern neighbours. Those that are left behind are now voting SNP, when traditionally they would have been small-c conservatives or traditional working class labour.

It a difficult one, you can’t go about telling people where to live, but I do sympathise with those trying to buy locally.
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
Denmark manages.
Australia manages.
New Zealand manages.
I’m sure that many other parts of the World manages.
Here I was thinking of the paradox of those that want to ‘take back control’ not having the slightest clue on how to utilise that control even within their borders let alone at their border.
I am pretty sure Denmark is starting to send migrants back to where they came from!
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Denmark manages.
Australia manages.
New Zealand manages.
I’m sure that many other parts of the World manages.
Here I was thinking of the paradox of those that want to ‘take back control’ not having the slightest clue on how to utilise that control even within their borders let alone at their border.
where would you draw the line ?
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Burning other peoples houses is a disgraceful thing to do. The 70's phase could quite easily ended with deaths.
Anyhoo, I'm not that bothered who buys local houses as such, what pishes me off is the routine they all go though.....buy house / cottage.....get builders in.....completely alter/ extend property......12 months of builders vans, skips, JCB's pecking away at rocks, shouting " Oi Dean " all day long..... make a fudge up of connecting their phone line/ getting their postal address wrong ( which I spend time having to sort out )........then sell up 6 months later, only for the whole saga to repeat itself.
At any one time in my hamlet, one third of the properties are being renovated. Probably quite good for local tradesmen, but it's like living in a permanent building site.
Good point,
perhaps instead of restricting who buys property along a nationality/racist lines as some folk seem to want to do they should restrict anyone enlarging countryside property this would make it less appealing to incoming rich folk and keep it within the price range that locals could buy ?
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
I had a couple here last week for south east of U.K. , thought our property in the borders is cheap and going to buy a 1 million quid house for holidays as where they from would be 3 million , should the seller not sell to them as they would be retired immigrants? Oh you can’t have 1 million you have to sell to a local who can only afford 300k . ? Don’t thinks so, takes new peopel to pull places up sometimes , I see new farmers buying places spend fortunes doing them up etc etc better than most the bloody locals , same with houses people move around get over it .

Australia , New Zealand have a lot of Chinese people buying property pushing prices up .
Nz has banned foreigners from buying houses
 

JP1

Member
Livestock Farmer
When you are part of a community and language and culture that is being swamped by immigrants and whose youngsters and even more mature people haven't got a hope in hell of competing for houses in their own community, then you are breeding resentment and anarchy. That can only go on for so long before it boils over.
Is that acceptable to you? Or should something along the Danish lines be done to slow it down to a trickle? The English certainly don't like it when it happens to their communities even when the people only stay temporarily and pay rents and actually work and pay taxes while there.
His boys are so not sure what your point is. Hilly's just getting on with it
 

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