Covid Vaccine Roll out.

bobk

Member
Location
stafford
It's quite simple, I am writing stuff down, a few people agree with it, although the vast majority don't.
The ones that don't, keep running into trouble arguing the government line, partly because it's someone else's and not their own and also because it's nonsense.
Because of this, they sling mud rather than argue, I take it as a compliment.

On this day last year there were 800 cases, today 21000, many amongst those vaccinated
Can anyone honestly say this is what they expected of this novel type of genetic modification drug?

Fixed that for you
 

Trutti

Member
You can be even more confident in your position when those on here who've tried so hard to discredit it, have resorted to attempts to discredit you through insults.
Perhaps if he provided proper peer reviewed evidence or correct source material rather than “I just write it down”, he may not be so discredited.
 

essex man

Member
Location
colchester
You can be even more confident in your position when those on here who've tried so hard to discredit it, have resorted to attempts to discredit you through insults.
Yes, thanks, I understand the psychology of it, which is why I feel pity rather than anger about the mud slinging etc.
They want to express their own opinions without personal scrutiny etc bit those whose opinions and ideas upset them must be insulted etc because they can't argue their point effectively.
I am advocating against policies that I believe cause a net increase in harm to public.
Thankfully there are some on here who can see there value in diversity of opinion
 

essex man

Member
Location
colchester
As I asked you before, give your sources otherwise its just not credible and you come across as a fool.
As to the rest, you have again admitted that you have no experience in any of the fields you make statements about….none.
You are promoting a dangerous premise without any evidence, putting people’s lives and health in danger. Please have a think about that.
Still not answering?
You criticize my sentence yet refuse to say what is wrong with it?
 

Trutti

Member
I have answered. If you cannot give a source for your statements in your last sentence, then It is nonsense to debate them. It’s not difficul.
 

Trutti

Member
You have to look at the information in the whole…relying on people who are on the big bucks to draw the conclusions….you know…not just “write it down”.
 

Guleesh

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Isle of Skye
You have to look at the information in the whole…relying on people who are on the big bucks to draw the conclusions….you know…not just “write it down”.

Looking at the info in the whole and not just relying on the people on the big bucks is exactly what some of us are doing.
 
i am not in agreement with all mr essex opinions but he has been accused of putting peoples lives and health in danger. surely the same could be said of those on here who are pushing these new drugs/vacc. no one knows the long term effects even the makers/scientists. IF for some reason there are issues those who have badgered coereced and belittled people into getting jabbed are guilty of endangering peoples health. i have had friends ask for my opinion on what they should do and my answer is always the same. weigh up your risks and decide for yourself. i dont disclose to any one if i have been jabbed lest i be accused of influencing people.
 

JCMaloney

Member
Location
LE9 2JG
We are still on Defcon 2. A few positive patients in, a few in ITU, lots of staff on holiday, lots of inpatient/outpatient activity to try and clear some of the backlog.

Numbers....... I know you missed them! :)

Leicestershire total cases (City & County combined)
Sat. 103,673 (increase 511)
Sun. 104,113 (increase 440)
Mon. 104,467. (increase 354)

Leicester City cases.
Sat 44,528 (increase 203)
Sun. 44,678 (increase 150)
Mon. 44,803 (increase 125)

Leicestershire County cases.
Sat. 59,145 (increase 308)
Sun 59,435 (increase 290)
Mon 59,664 (increase 229)
 

bobk

Member
Location
stafford
i am not in agreement with all mr essex opinions but he has been accused of putting peoples lives and health in danger. surely the same could be said of those on here who are pushing these new drugs/vacc. no one knows the long term effects even the makers/scientists. IF for some reason there are issues those who have badgered coereced and belittled people into getting jabbed are guilty of endangering peoples health. i have had friends ask for my opinion on what they should do and my answer is always the same. weigh up your risks and decide for yourself. i dont disclose to any one if i have been jabbed lest i be accused of influencing people.
Has the vaccine made us nearer the end or further away ?
 

Trutti

Member
The ability to think for myself you mean? If I didn't have or use that I'd be no better than a sheep would I?
That is certainly part of it, as is education , experience , study. I don’t expect a vet to be an experienced accountant…I pay and rely on the expertise of each one. Anyway, as I have stated, I do have a certain sympathy with some views expressed but am concerned with the credibility of the underly premise which gives concerns as to the veracity of the views. Best to keep any advice to the medical fraternity and free choice of the individual.
Thats me for the evening…much better things to do.
 
A little heads up for those on hear how said the vaccines are on tested a very close family member of mine is a virologist shes not been working on the vaccines but went to University with two how helped develop the AstraZeneca vaccine she has had a lot of contact with them both
the asta zeneca has had as much or more testing as any other vaccine or drug
she told me money was no object in the development so the could do all the testing they needed normally there wood be a budget for the year and wonce it was spent they wood have to wight to the next year before you can start up again
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
Good…as long as you have the experience and ability to consider all the elements, otherwise…

And nobody on this forum has even a quarter of the understanding of the subject that the good folks at WHO do, whatever they think in themselves.

The ability to think for myself you mean? If I didn't have or use that I'd be no better than a sheep would I?

See above, and with the utmost of genuine respect, you don’t understand the science behind the vaccine in enough detail to make a fully informed decision any more than I do, and certainly less than those scientists who have spent a lifetime working on them. I have no doubt you are intelligent, but there’s a difference between upper decile and world leading.
 

Trutti

Member
And nobody on this forum has even a quarter of the understanding of the subject that the good folks at WHO do, whatever they think in themselves.



See above, and with the utmost of genuine respect, you don’t understand the science behind the vaccine in enough detail to make a fully informed decision any more than I do, and certainly less than those scientists who have spent a lifetime working on them. I have no doubt you are intelligent, but there’s a difference between upper decile and world leading.
You said it better than I could!
Right…time for BQ…
 

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