lazy farmer
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#biased !
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frederick
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I think it interesting that they admit they might not be able to collect the data for grazing cows.
So we might find that housed cows are happy but we won't know that the default position for a cow at grass is extremely happy.
It does seem that the normal response from all buyers to farmers is if the consumer wants it we give it.
This the first time I've seen research to protect a sizeable minority of producers. Not sure wether it's a good or bad thing
frederick
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Also interesting that it's stated a contented cow spends a lot of time lieing down after eating.
That sounds like a depressed human that just eats and lies in bed.
A contented cow in my view is showing at sometimrs of the day social interaction and grooming each other.
That sounds like a depressed human that just eats and lies in bed.
A contented cow in my view is showing at sometimrs of the day social interaction and grooming each other.
I had that same thought this morning and concluded that a clean, dry, comfortable housing, fresh food and clean water available at all times is probably more than could be said of many millions of people in this world. I think we’re doing ok, nothing to worry about.
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We absolutely are. Now I’m not denying that cows have feelings, preferences or can make it clear if they do or don’t like something, but they are not- nor will they ever be- human beings. So to attempt to measure happiness is ridiculous. Sure you can measure the absence or vices, the expression of natural behaviours etc, but how on earth do you determine that a cow is “happy”? Content perhaps, permitted and encouraged to express their natural behaviours definitely, but happy? Not really. Anthropomorphism is the first line in any activists playbook and it’s exactly how they generate outrage and engagement from Joe Public who know no different. Rape, murder, babies, mother etc are all words they use, yet none of them apply to the animals they are supposedly talking about. I can’t imagine that this study will change that in any meaningful way. I expect we shall be accused of skewing the figures, over reaching in the name of the desired outcome, researcher bias etc etc. Which of course applies to all the activists information too, but their voices are inevitably louder and much more palatable for the general public.
It's probably a truism too that the activists are better at disseminating through "social media" that we are.
Tell a lie enough times & it becomes the truth
What a time to be alive
Homesy
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Why bother with the fitbits ? Open the shed door on a spring day, into the nearest field and the cows will soon tell you which they prefer. If in doubt put some cubicles in a field of cows and see how many lie in them.
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and keep the door open on a wet November day and see what they prefer.
Or on very hot and sunny days and see how many head back to the sheds for shade and a sit down in a nice cool shed.
frederick
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But that's the thing with cows there are very few cows given a daily choice
Farmer Keith
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They go back for the buffer, won’t go back here until I put feed out in September.
applejack
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Top post!
And the next thing will be that we have to give them a choice. Try managing them while they wander in and out all day.
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Have been doing it for over 10 years now, cows grazing no buffer in day time
lazy farmer
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Arla keep on saying this is what our customers are demanding of us. I simply do not believe that’s true. It’s more that they are going to their customers and offering things which it seems many arla farmers are struggling to implement on farm in ways that their Auditors are happy with. The fatigue over new initiatives and and constant zoom meetings is real. I would have at least 35k extra income being an arla farmer. It’s not enough for the hassle.
My question is are arla farmers as OWNERS of the business asking what the end goal is.
My question is are arla farmers as OWNERS of the business asking what the end goal is.
With access to housing? Or just to robots? On the occasions when I have not shut our cows out in time they seem to spend all day wandering in and out, not eating properly, wearing their feet out being miserable. Usually one trouble maker leading them, and the others reluctantly follow.
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Knob head climate protesters!
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Cravendale extended Life milk is Arla's baby, is it not ?
Why then should my BiL have got a 2l bottle dated 18th Sept which has gone lumpy and seperated out.
My opinion is that the retailer considers it to be on a par with UHT and stores it incorrectly.
Please pass my observations on to the powers that be.
He now is going to start to look for "Organic" milk which seems to be the most reliable form of liquid drinking milk, and least likely to suffer from taints, probably because it tends to be put through the plant first thing after the sanitizing process...
Why then should my BiL have got a 2l bottle dated 18th Sept which has gone lumpy and seperated out.
My opinion is that the retailer considers it to be on a par with UHT and stores it incorrectly.
Please pass my observations on to the powers that be.
He now is going to start to look for "Organic" milk which seems to be the most reliable form of liquid drinking milk, and least likely to suffer from taints, probably because it tends to be put through the plant first thing after the sanitizing process...