Which feed wheat?

Wombat · Aug 22, 2021

Jo28 said:
how much worse was the saki? We grew gleam saki and viscount and tbh not much between all three. Gleam maybe beat the other 2 just. Will drop the viscount after 12/13 years of hss service and keep the other 2 and try a small area of dawsum if we can get some seed. I liked the look of saki all year, tillered extremely well and never had any disease in it and was on the heavier land that we have. Never tried skyscraper was too worried about height and lodging.

The issue was the bushel, so it was about 10% down. They are all treated the same and had aviator, then revstar and a litre of teb but the skyfall seed I had left from 2019 was 75, skyscraper was 74 and the Saki was 69-70. It looked terrific up to the last month then just seemed to loose its leaf so a bit of a let down. The skyscraper always seems to like our snot so I like it will see if the gleam also does

Poncherello1976 · Aug 22, 2021

Am growing some Cranium this year. Looks ok, but have not got in to it yet. Supposed to be a good yielder. Also have some Siskin which we have had for several years now and has always done well. Seems to be quite reliable.

Mr Tree · Aug 22, 2021

Stopping growing group 1 here.Zyatt 1st wheat yielded less than gleam 2nd.

ive got home saved Siskin that yielded as usual very well and always finds a home with a few quid over feed.Siskin is just a farmers friend , robust agronomically and as long as it has a decent pgr it’s a good bomb proof variety.

gleam is my second wheat - yields simple.

Heathland · Aug 22, 2021

Best yielding was
Saki,pictured below,Claydon drilled very impressed.

closely followed by
Gleam,then
Skyscraper,
SY Insitor,to be fair all have been impressive
Haven't cut my Elation yet, but it was drilled at the start of January so it would be unfair to criticise

serri · Aug 22, 2021

Not the best year for skyscraper here but Siskin has been great.

4course · Aug 22, 2021

Hampton said:
I like skyscraper. I’m probably the only one who does though

no you are not though we also like gravity both of which will be taking a fair share here waiting to see how the saki tuns out gleam will be reduced as too much yellow rust and not such a good sample

SilliamWhale · Aug 22, 2021

Does anyone really think all these varieties are massively different from each other year in year out?

Hampton · Aug 22, 2021

SilliamWhale said:
Does anyone really think all these varieties are massively different from each other year in year out?

Not really. They are largely all the same until they fail.

teslacoils · Aug 22, 2021

I don't think you can go far wrong with one that has a decent bushel weight and strong straw.

The ones that sprout; are like rice; or go flat I'd not touch even if on paper they did five percent more.

warksfarmer · Aug 22, 2021

teslacoils said:
I don't think you can go far wrong with one that has a decent bushel weight and strong straw.

The ones that sprout; are like rice; or go flat I'd not touch even if on paper they did five percent more.

Problem is you don’t know which ones they are from year to year. Bring back consort and claire

snarling bee · Aug 22, 2021

SilliamWhale said:
Does anyone really think all these varieties are massively different from each other year in year out?

Not really. What does well one year will be poor the next.

teslacoils · Aug 22, 2021

warksfarmer said:
Problem is you don’t know which ones they are from year to year. Bring back consort and claire

Although we've had a good harvest, it was no better than what we got from Clare back in 2004/5.

You would hope the RL would weed out the duffers, but it never quite does. Can't beat local trials site visits.

Hindsight · Aug 22, 2021

teslacoils said:
Although we've had a good harvest, it was no better than what we got from Clare back in 2004/5.

You would hope the RL would weed out the duffers, but it never quite does. Can't beat local trials site visits.

Being brutal, on many farms in South Lincs overall average farm yields been static for 20 years. OK, vary yearly. And we get the real cracker like 2015. Which gets everyone excited. But to all intents being devils advocate 10 t/ha was the budget target in 2004 and is the budget target in 2021. Happy to be corrected as I am I appreciate an old fart. The breeders new variety puff gets a bit irritating.

DairyGrazing · Aug 22, 2021

ploughman1963 said:
I keep getting told to ditch JB Diego from the mix but it has performed very well this year and always does a decent crop

Ditto good variety as was Santiago. Used Siskin and Sartorial this year both done extremely well. Very easy to manage and stood up well to having the lagoon emptied under them.

teslacoils · Aug 22, 2021

Hindsight said:
Being brutal, on many farms in South Lincs overall average farm yields been static for 20 years. OK, vary yearly. And we get the real cracker like 2015. Which gets everyone excited. But to all intents being devils advocate 10 t/ha was the budget target in 2004 and is the budget target in 2021. Happy to be corrected as I am I appreciate an old fart. The breeders new variety puff gets a bit irritating.

No, I'd agree. However what's propelling my wheat yields is ignoring the wheat / break, and instead maximising the number of years without wheat. Wheat one year in six is a big yield step up.

DairyGrazing · Aug 23, 2021

teslacoils said:
No, I'd agree. However what's propelling my wheat yields is ignoring the wheat / break, and instead maximising the number of years without wheat. Wheat one year in six is a big yield step up.

What does a six year rotation look like?

teslacoils · Aug 23, 2021

DairyGrazing said:
What does a six year rotation look like?

Wheat, something, something, something,something,something.

Some fields have grass, grass, grass, wheat, so oats, w barley.

Some fields osr, wheat, barley, sp oats, fallow, linseed.

It's less the rotation than the gap between wheat. Can be another cereal too. Just finding that for the bigger heaps of wheat it's associated with the longer gap.

Best wheat this year was after ab15, ab15, sp oats, sp linseed, w barley.

Previous best was after w barley, sp barley, sp oats, beans.

Steevo · Aug 23, 2021

teslacoils said:
No, I'd agree. However what's propelling my wheat yields is ignoring the wheat / break, and instead maximising the number of years without wheat. Wheat one year in six is a big yield step up.

Even 2nd wheat can sometimes be a fair yield drop.

I wish I knew more about the precise reasons behind the yield penalties….nobody seems quite able to put their finger on it.

snarling bee · Aug 23, 2021

We used to regularly yield over 9 t/ha continuous milling wheat. We now yield less than 9 t/ha continuous milling wheat.

Not sure what to say other than every year is a 'strange' year.

robbie · Aug 23, 2021

snarling bee said:
We used to regularly yield over 9 t/ha continuous milling wheat. We now yield less than 9 t/ha continuous milling wheat.

Not sure what to say other than every year is a 'strange' year.

I would love to see trials where a variety of 20 or 30 years ago was grown side by side a modern newbie.
We have better Chems, better dressing, better equipment and supposedly better bred varieties but yields don't reflect that.

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