A Degree in Agriculture?

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
I’d say in the engineering industry you were only as good as the last job you did. The IET (Instution of Engineering and Technology) did try to do what RT and in particular NRoSO have done regarding CPD points. They badgered me because I wasn’t recording CPD points. OK, I said, cancel my membership then as no employer has ever been remotely interested in it. No, they said, we will put you down as on a sabbatical.
 

Overby

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
South West
Take out of it what you can, the management bit has been vital to me. There's plenty of other bits of info you'll pick up and adapt as rarely is 'practical' or handed down info enough on it's own. . No need to do a degree but it is valuable, even just the 3 years mixing with other viewpoints and people. Depends on your mindset too, I enjoyed uni but struggled with many of the student dickheads who were there, some are suited to education, others absolutely not. No right or wrong answer but exposure to further experience and info / education is rarely going to be less than a benefit ( needs weighed up against cost nowadays though).
 

toquark

Member
I came home to the family farm at 18 years old, way too young really and I should have travelled a bit but my father's Herdman was retiring, and at the time I wasn't bothered about further education, I just wanted to get working.

Then one morning when I was 24 years old I was eating my breakfast and saw a feature on the Open University on TV. I enrolled on an Economics and International Relations course and graduated last year, took me 6 years. Managed to do it in-between milkings, usually just a couple of hours each morning, found it escapism from the dairy cows!

Overall, a degree certainly doesn't make you get out of bed in the morning and work hard but I'm pleased I did it as I feel it has broadened my outlook and helped me understand more of the world we live in.
We’ll done. I’ve always reckoned anyone who has the motivation and discipline to see through an OU degree is worth a lot more than a conventional qualification.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
What I found generally about academic education was that yes you could use theory to work out for example the right setting for something but working through that theory would take days and might not even give a very accurate answer. Or you could just twiddle the screw until it “sounded right” which took about 5 minutes.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
There is a big difference between academic investigation for pleasure and curiosity, and on the other hand commercial application. Nothing wrong with either but I often found friction at the mismatch. In industry it was 95% graft and experience. 10% brains. There was little time allowed for a lot of thinking. Maybe that’s what went wrong.
 

Kidds

Member
Horticulture
I had worked on the farm since I was 6, never had a choice and even if I didn't work I still had to be out in the fields because both my parents were. I can't claim to be hard done to because it never felt that way it was just how it had to be at the time. Winter and wet weather was miserable though and the pain when the blood flows back into cold hands is not forgotten. I have watched the feathers of ice crystals forming across the back of my hands when cutting cabbage in winter, no fun in that!
When I got to 16 I decided I wanted out, the earache I got over that was a bit of a surprise. Probably the most intense emotional blackmail I have ever had, mostly from my grandfather who was not a bad man but extremely selfish and controlling. (He had 8 daughters so can understand it a bit). As my plan to get a job elsewhere was scuppered I chose the alternative route and went away to college (similar blackmail but not enough to stop me).
Fast forward 4-5 years and I had learned enough to now know I wanted to go back home. :D
 

alomy75

Member
I had worked on the farm since I was 6, never had a choice and even if I didn't work I still had to be out in the fields because both my parents were. I can't claim to be hard done to because it never felt that way it was just how it had to be at the time. Winter and wet weather was miserable though and the pain when the blood flows back into cold hands is not forgotten. I have watched the feathers of ice crystals forming across the back of my hands when cutting cabbage in winter, no fun in that!
When I got to 16 I decided I wanted out, the earache I got over that was a bit of a surprise. Probably the most intense emotional blackmail I have ever had, mostly from my grandfather who was not a bad man but extremely selfish and controlling. (He had 8 daughters so can understand it a bit). As my plan to get a job elsewhere was scuppered I chose the alternative route and went away to college (similar blackmail but not enough to stop me).
Fast forward 4-5 years and I had learned enough to now know I wanted to go back home. :D
You can take the boy from the farm; but not the farm from the boy
 

Lincoln75

Member
I had worked on the farm since I was 6, never had a choice and even if I didn't work I still had to be out in the fields because both my parents were. I can't claim to be hard done to because it never felt that way it was just how it had to be at the time. Winter and wet weather was miserable though and the pain when the blood flows back into cold hands is not forgotten. I have watched the feathers of ice crystals forming across the back of my hands when cutting cabbage in winter, no fun in that!
When I got to 16 I decided I wanted out, the earache I got over that was a bit of a surprise. Probably the most intense emotional blackmail I have ever had, mostly from my grandfather who was not a bad man but extremely selfish and controlling. (He had 8 daughters so can understand it a bit). As my plan to get a job elsewhere was scuppered I chose the alternative route and went away to college (similar blackmail but not enough to stop me).
Fast forward 4-5 years and I had learned enough to now know I wanted to go back home. :D
Good for you getting away , I think its unhealthy for offspring's to stay at home indefinitely after school , youngsters need to get out and experience the world even if its just working on another farm overseas with no college/Uni .
Learning off the old man and no one else is a bad thing , he wont be right about everything who ever he is .

Control freak parents who hold their kids back are not good parents.
 

Lincoln75

Member
Perhaps not "employ" directly but rather "pay".
Most farmers with or without a degree will pay for the services of an agronomist who did a degree. They'll instruct a lawyer when they need one. They'll go to a doctor if they have to.
Even bin men use doctors and lawyers and your kids could go and do degree in agronomy and still work on the farm afterwards , the point being a good education gives you a good start in life , where ever you get in life without an education you can be sure you`d have got further with one.
 
Even bin men use doctors and lawyers and your kids could go and do degree in agronomy and still work on the farm afterwards , the point being a good education gives you a good start in life , where ever you get in life without an education you can be sure you`d have got further with one.
I agree. I'm just saying that if you don't have the degree, you end up paying someone who does. The agronomist is a prime example, if you go and do a degree in agronomy, you're not likely to have to pay an agronomist later while you're running your farming business. The same could be said of accountancy or similar. If you don't do the qualification yourself, you have to pay someone else who did.
 

Lincoln75

Member
Is there anyone here who has done a degree themselves who would be against their children doing one. There are lots of people stating how pointless they are but have got the piece of paper they don’t believe in.
You`ll find most without a degree belittle them even though they have no idea what a degree is , what getting one involves, its value or the benefits of going to Uni , I`ve got a degree and will be dropping off my daughter at Uni next month, sure she will mount up some debt but it will only have to be paid off when she earns over £26k so a win win really .
 

Lowland1

Member
Mixed Farmer
You`ll find most without a degree belittle them even though they have no idea what a degree is , what getting one involves, its value or the benefits of going to Uni , I`ve got a degree and will be dropping off my daughter at Uni next month, sure she will mount up some debt but it will only have to be paid off when she earns over £26k so a win win really .
I’ve got a degree in Agriculture being from a farming family I didn’t learn much about farming but that wasn’t the point a degree gave me options that staying at home didn’t. My son has just finished his History degree and my daughter would have finished hers next year but has deferred due to Covid. I have no problem with them doing history but both of them I hope will end up back on the farm.
 

BBC

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Location
Gloucestershire
My father always said that farming was something that I could come back to and actively encouraged me to go to university and have an open mind to look at all options after that to gain more experience beyond the farm gate. I still ended up doing an agriculture degree but very glad I did as I learnt far more about accountancy, agricultural law, soil science, veterinary science, etc that I ever would staying at home and have Always been glad I do have that knowledge, especially when talking to the accountant! Practical knowledge is one thing but knowing about law and finance, etc is just as important these days

I did end up working away and developed business interests that I have been able to continue after coming back to farm, so very glad I did follow his advice and have actively supported my sons in doing the same and it is with great pride that I see them making the most of the opportunities available and pursuing careers in finance and engineering.
 

Bruce Almighty

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Warwickshire
You`ll find most without a degree belittle them even though they have no idea what a degree is , what getting one involves, its value or the benefits of going to Uni , I`ve got a degree and will be dropping off my daughter at Uni next month, sure she will mount up some debt but it will only have to be paid off when she earns over £26k so a win win really .
That's a very sweeping statement.

I don't have a degree, but my daughter has a bio-chemistry degree and my son is currently studying BSc in agriculture.

My sister has a degree as has her husband, they met at UCW in the 80s.

My brother didn't even do further education.

This might sound arrogant but our business (Me & brother) has grown massively and my brother-in-law's has shrunk.
Not having degrees didn't hold us back, it's more about hard work, drive and determination.

Blair's obsession with education led to many doing useless degrees, when they would've been better going to a technical college & learned something useful.
 

Cowcorn

Member
Mixed Farmer
That's a very sweeping statement.

I don't have a degree, but my daughter has a bio-chemistry degree and my son is currently studying BSc in agriculture.

My sister has a degree as has her husband, they met at UCW in the 80s.

My brother didn't even do further education.

This might sound arrogant but our business (Me & brother) has grown massively and my brother-in-law's has shrunk.
Not having degrees didn't hold us back, it's more about hard work, drive and determination.

Blair's obsession with education led to many doing useless degrees, when they would've been better going to a technical college & learned something useful.
Couldnt agree more !! I couldnt bear the thought of another minute of study after secondary school. Six months working on the buildings taught me more about economics and the value of hard work .
My fathers mothers people were huge in construction in england and i laughed when the boss who hadnt much in the way of degrees fuccked a newly hired engineer out of it telling him " boyo im paying you to get in the hole not look at it " . Education with out ability wont cut the mustard .
Sometimes the University of life produces the best graduates :)
 

glasshouse

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Location
lothians
That's a very sweeping statement.

I don't have a degree, but my daughter has a bio-chemistry degree and my son is currently studying BSc in agriculture.

My sister has a degree as has her husband, they met at UCW in the 80s.

My brother didn't even do further education.

This might sound arrogant but our business (Me & brother) has grown massively and my brother-in-law's has shrunk.
Not having degrees didn't hold us back, it's more about hard work, drive and determination.

Blair's obsession with education led to many doing useless degrees, when they would've been better going to a technical college & learned something useful.
Money always helps
As does property
 

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