home'n dry.....again

Full of bull(s)

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North Yorkshire
Maxxamom is £5/ treated ton less than home n dry. From what I can see they are pretty much the same except with maxammom you have to put the enzyme in separate? Seems worth doing for £5 /t?
I switched over to alpha from home n dry about four months back. Far better results, ready to use in 7 days, much better advice and nutritional back up. Adding more water, 50kg/tonne is making a better rolled product. As you say, cheaper as well particularly if you are upping the inclusion for a higher CP content as you don’t need to up the enzyme inclusion
 

MJT

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So I’ve been reading through this thread and really contemplating trying it, we don’t combine until well into September normally so would suit as grain would probably be higher moisture .
Wanted to ask number of questions …. How much H and D would i need for say 30 ton of oats ? And what are the prices people are paying for it ? Does tipping 6-7 ton out of a trailer and then mixing H and D into it with loader work ok ? And, how soon after mixing does it need sheeting, could you mix it and wait a day until finished cutting the corn or would it have to be sheeted straight away .
 

neilo

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Montgomeryshire
So I’ve been reading through this thread and really contemplating trying it, we don’t combine until well into September normally so would suit as grain would probably be higher moisture .
Wanted to ask number of questions …. How much H and D would i need for say 30 ton of oats ? And what are the prices people are paying for it ? Does tipping 6-7 ton out of a trailer and then mixing H and D into it with loader work ok ? And, how soon after mixing does it need sheeting, could you mix it and wait a day until finished cutting the corn or would it have to be sheeted straight away .

A pallet does more or less 30t, at 30kg per ton. It needs sheeting straight away as it works by the moisture in the grain reacting with the urea, converting it into ammonia gas. That gas then treats the grain, with no urea being left in the final feed. If you leave sheeting it then the gas will escape.

I treated 14t of barley last night. I tipped it up in a big heap after combining, then took a telehandler bucket (c.900kg) at a time from that heap and mixed it in the corner of the shed, with a sheeted straw bale wall to hold it up. Tip a bucket out, spread a bag of H&D over the grain, then turn it over a few times and push it up, repeat. Sheet and leave for 10 days.

If you want to be really accurate you could put it through a feeder wagon and push up.
 

Benr

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North Devon
So I’ve been reading through this thread and really contemplating trying it, we don’t combine until well into September normally so would suit as grain would probably be higher moisture .
Wanted to ask number of questions …. How much H and D would i need for say 30 ton of oats ? And what are the prices people are paying for it ? Does tipping 6-7 ton out of a trailer and then mixing H and D into it with loader work ok ? And, how soon after mixing does it need sheeting, could you mix it and wait a day until finished cutting the corn or would it have to be sheeted straight away .
H and D £27/t and Maxammom £22/t
 

Benr

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North Devon
Our spring barley is a bit variable. Most of it is rock hard but there are still some you can squash between your fingers. They aren’t green and they are past the pussy stage.
I know they say not to treat green grains but will this be ok
 

Sincock

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Cornwall
Our spring barley is a bit variable. Most of it is rock hard but there are still some you can squash between your fingers. They aren’t green and they are past the pussy stage.
I know they say not to treat green grains but will this be ok
The odd green grain isn't going to have a negative effect on the end result. Issues with the process can occur if there are lots of green grains but from what you have said you will be fine with which ever treatment you choose. Just DO NOT compact the grains in storage and DO NOT store higher than 3 meters. Moist grains will compact tighter restricting the ammonia gas from circulating and killing all moulds, fungi, bacteria etc... you may also see slightly less of protein or pH increase but this will be marginal.
 

Case man

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I switched over to alpha from home n dry about four months back. Far better results, ready to use in 7 days, much better advice and nutritional back up. Adding more water, 50kg/tonne is making a better rolled product. As you say, cheaper as well particularly if you are upping the inclusion for a higher CP content as you don’t need to up the enzyme inclusion
where do you buy alpha from
 

Sir loin

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North Yorkshire
I thought feeding urea to cattle you were retaining in your herd ( bulling heifers and bulls sold for breeding) was a no no as urea damages the liver can you confirm this to me. I would be very interested in this product if this was not the case.
 

Full of bull(s)

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North Yorkshire
I thought feeding urea to cattle you were retaining in your herd ( bulling heifers and bulls sold for breeding) was a no no as urea damages the liver can you confirm this to me. I would be very interested in this product if this was not the case.
This way you aren’t actually feeding the urea, it gasses off while sheeted turning into ammonia which is basically what the rumen does when it ingests urea, so half the job is done for the animal
 

Full of bull(s)

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North Yorkshire
The ammonia is a gas, which moves through the grain and dissipates. There might be a whiff of it when you take the grain out of the heap, but it certainly doesn't affect palatability.
If you are going to try and feed it alone ad-lib to bulls say it will need some molasses adding, about 5% to keep intakes up but if it’s part of a tmr it’s fine. I am treating oats and feeding them straight in a hopper with big bale silage to steers and heifers, it just restricts the intakes nicely without molasses to stop them eating too much. I put minerals in when I treat the corn but I use the batch in a fortnight. Storing long term I don’t think it would work though
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
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Montgomeryshire
If you are going to try and feed it alone ad-lib to bulls say it will need some molasses adding, about 5% to keep intakes up but if it’s part of a tmr it’s fine. I am treating oats and feeding them straight in a hopper with big bale silage to steers and heifers, it just restricts the intakes nicely without molasses to stop them eating too much. I put minerals in when I treat the corn but I use the batch in a fortnight. Storing long term I don’t think it would work though

I've only ever fed it on it's own and to sheep, ad-lib or in the field. They eat enough as it is, without adding molasses!
 

Full of bull(s)

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Livestock Farmer
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North Yorkshire
I've only ever fed it on it's own and to sheep, ad-lib or in the field. They eat enough as it is, without adding molasses!
My bulls weren’t and it was affecting growth rates. wasn’t offered any useful advice from five f, back up was pretty sh*t really, and I had asked whether it would be ok without it before I started. Went to Norvite, rep very helpful said it definitely needed molasses for both palatability and sugar content to balance it, tried it, fantastic results.
 

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