Geronimo.

jellybean

Member
Location
N.Devon
I would agree with your comments about the badger situation but I understand there is little evidence of widespread infection in sheep. If they do not have lesions it is unlikely they are spreading TB .
Deer yes the problem is increasing but is there much evidence of them spreading the disease? probably they dare not
I would agree with your comments about the badger situation but I understand there is little evidence of widespread infection in sheep. If they do not have lesions it is unlikely they are spreading TB .
Deer yes the problem is increasing but is there much evidence of them spreading the disease? probably they dare not look!
Dare not look? Of course they b----y look! My neighbour has a dairy herd, when I bought the farm and fenced up for deer I deliberately kept my fences 6 foot in from the existing boundary fences to minimise the chances of transferal of disease; in either direction. Godsend for neighbour who now doesn't have to bother with replacing his rotten fences as he knows his stock can only go as far as my deer fence, and they do. So when he lost some cattle to TB I got a compulsory test as contiguous. All my deer passed ok.
 

Exfarmer

Member
Location
Bury St Edmunds
Dare not look? Of course they b----y look! My neighbour has a dairy herd, when I bought the farm and fenced up for deer I deliberately kept my fences 6 foot in from the existing boundary fences to minimise the chances of transferal of disease; in either direction. Godsend for neighbour who now doesn't have to bother with replacing his rotten fences as he knows his stock can only go as far as my deer fence, and they do. So when he lost some cattle to TB I got a compulsory test as contiguous. All my deer passed ok.
sorry I was thinking of the. Glad to hear you had no issues. wild deer
 

Wooly

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Romney Marsh
Perhaps karma will prevail and the stupid woman and her supporters go down with TB.

The publicity from that will suddenly focus the minds of why TB infected animals and wildlife (badgers in particular) need to be controlled !!






Just for the people that don't know the facts, the alpaca was tested positive in 2017 and has taken 4 years to get to this final outcome That's one expensive animal !!

  • Geronimo is brought to England from New Zealand in August 2017 by his owner Helen Macdonald
  • The alpaca twice tests positive for bovine tuberculosis in August and November that year
  • He is put into isolation away from the rest of the herd at the farm in Wickwar
  • The government applies for a court order in July 2018 to have him destroyed
  • Geronimo is given a stay of execution, with a deadline of the end of August for his slaughter
  • Ms Macdonald seeks a judicial review claiming new evidence shows the animal is healthy, marking the start of a series of lengthy legal battles
  • In November, Ms Macdonald wins the right to a review at the High Court in London
  • A hearing gets under way in March 2019 and Ms Macdonald claims government experts relied on "flawed science"
  • The case is dismissed in July 2019
  • Ms Macdonald starts an appeal and an order is made preventing Geronimo's death pending the application
  • She takes out an emergency injunction to delay a warrant to cull the animal before an appeal hearing on 29 July 2021
  • The case is once again dismissed. A judge agrees to delay the start of a second execution warrant until 5 August, which is later extended to 4 September
  • Geronimo is euthanised on 31 August
 
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Yale

Member
Livestock Farmer
Government stupidly claims another victim
Yes,and the stupidity of not dealing with the root cause has created more stupidity.

Emotive,however the life of an infected alpaca cannot be treated any differently to the life of an infected cow.

However government policy is perpetuating and increasing spread of TB.
 
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Werzle

Member
Location
Midlands
They couldnt have made more of a circus about removing him today if they had tried, those that didnt want him removed and those removing him just added to the poor buggers distress. I think the whole sorry job was hijacked and animal welfare went out the window. If i had lost a court case over having an animal removed i would atleast made sure it went with the least amount of stress even if it was a bitter pill to swallow.
 

Bongodog

Member
Anyone else think this is a handy distraction from some sort of major political error/s? IDK... every time Tony Blair needed to avoid scrutiny it seemed like hunting popped up. Could there be any current affairs more important than the fate of a dodgey alpaca?
Totally don't think this, the case has dragged on through every court in the land until the owner lost her last chance. The court order had to be enacted by Sept 4th so it was always going to be this week.
 

topground

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North Somerset.
Who tipped off the press and why? Very few protestors on site so presumably there was no notice to the keeper otherwise rent a crowd would have turned up.
This suggests that there is a mole within DEFRA with an AR agenda.
 

YorksLass

Member
Who tipped off the press and why? Very few protestors on site so presumably there was no notice to the keeper otherwise rent a crowd would have turned up.
This suggests that there is a mole within DEFRA with an AR agenda.

There have been people with cameras there every day since the last court case was lost. I think it is far more likely they were there until the bitter end to get the good shots. They wre deliberately obstructing when he was being herded to the pen.

I feel for the DEFRA staff today - imagine having to walk into that mess as part of your day job.
 

JP1

Member
Livestock Farmer
There have been people with cameras there every day since the last court case was lost. I think it is far more likely they were there until the bitter end to get the good shots. They wre deliberately obstructing when he was being herded to the pen.

I feel for the DEFRA staff today - imagine having to walk into that mess as part of your day job.
Agreed

The most sensible thing would be for two DEFRA handlers / vets only to the alpaca and the police getting the press and "supporters" right away
 

Wooly

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Romney Marsh
I feel for the DEFRA staff today - imagine having to walk into that mess as part of your day job.

I actually had a DEFRA communications employee staying with me last week that was dealing with this.

It was very much in the remit that this animal was going to be put down and Number 10 was putting pressure on them to get it done.

Good first day back to work for her today !!
 

som farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
it should never have been allowed to take so long to finish, presumably covid delayed the 'legals', and it must have cost a fortune, who pays for that, hopefully her, but l doubt it.
There is enough publicity about it now, what the #### will happen, if, when cultured, it gives a negative result, doesn't really bear thinking about.
On the other hand, the publicity could bring the whole sordid job, of TB, out in the publics eye, that could easily go either way, positive or negative !
 
Perhaps karma will prevail and the stupid woman and her supporters go down with TB.

The publicity from that will suddenly focus the minds of why TB infected animals and wildlife (badgers in particular) need to be controlled !!






Just for the people that don't know the facts, the alpaca was tested positive in 2017 and has taken 4 years to get to this final outcome That's one expensive animal !!

  • Geronimo is brought to England from New Zealand in August 2017 by his owner Helen Macdonald
  • The alpaca twice tests positive for bovine tuberculosis in August and November that year
  • He is put into isolation away from the rest of the herd at the farm in Wickwar
  • The government applies for a court order in July 2018 to have him destroyed
  • Geronimo is given a stay of execution, with a deadline of the end of August for his slaughter
  • Ms Macdonald seeks a judicial review claiming new evidence shows the animal is healthy, marking the start of a series of lengthy legal battles
  • In November, Ms Macdonald wins the right to a review at the High Court in London
  • A hearing gets under way in March 2019 and Ms Macdonald claims government experts relied on "flawed science"
  • The case is dismissed in July 2019
  • Ms Macdonald starts an appeal and an order is made preventing Geronimo's death pending the application
  • She takes out an emergency injunction to delay a warrant to cull the animal before an appeal hearing on 29 July 2021
  • The case is once again dismissed. A judge agrees to delay the start of a second execution warrant until 5 August, which is later extended to 4 September
  • Geronimo is euthanised on 31 August
He is put into isolation away from the rest of the herd at the farm in Wickwar

In the news clip I saw on BBC TV News a week or so ago Ms Macdonald maintained Geronimo was in isolation ,she was stood in the pen with him, another alpaca was the other side of a field gate along side him, then another field gate and fields, no barriers that I could see to stop badgers entering pen,

Does that count as isolation?
 

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