Have they changed? Any link please?
Ergot in Spring wheat
- Thread starter phr49
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- Lincolnshire
I’m being told by my merchant it’s tightened up for feed as well. Customers are getting very fussy at feed mill intakes. I don’t actually blame them but it is impacting us as an industry. Big producers in this county have their own colour sorters. We couldn’t possibly afford to buy or run one on our scale. Our only option for wheat now is to buy into central storage that has this equipment. The days of hawking it round mills, getting it rejected and diverted are over. It’s another turn of the screw. We either have to get on with it or get out.
On a different note, we are absolutely bunged out at the moment. We always used to alleviate this problem by selling some prior to harvest “as available”. But it hasn’t been collected yet and doesn’t look like it will be any time soon. Partly our own fault as the bushel weight is below spec so we are in queue for a suitable home. Doesn’t seem to be any boats.
All in all a bit of a turning point year. We either buy into central storage for half of our production (the wheat) or we pack up wheat growing. We have already lost more on early sales to alleviate storage and low quality issues this year than would have covered the central storage handling charge.
What has AHDB and RT to say about these real issues impacting our businesses? Nothing of any relevance. As usual we sort it out ourselves. Adapt or stop.
Another thing RT have stuck their noses into. Suppose I have a rejection for ergot despite the fact I have had nothing in any of my samples, can’t see any on my heap etc. I then have to write down what I will do to prevent it happening again. Realistically to be sure I guess I would have to have all my ww tonnage colour sorted at a cost approx £20/t. Some years that would near enough bankrupt me. No one understands the concept of risk these days.
The current 0.05% weight limit will be reduced to 0.02% and strict maximum limits on ergot alkaloids in processed cereal products will be applied.
Farmers weekly recently if search ergot on there site .
I blame them, based on what was said in the other ergot thread levels have to be very high for them to have any effect on livestock. If the mills are that bothered but their own bloody colour sorters instead of throwing the problem back to us, it’s not like it’s ergot new thing
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Thank you. I have had no official communications on this from anybody. If we know what we are up against we can deal with it.
Beet job iffy still virus in my beet fields told 2% by chap who assessed it looked more to me !
He had seen fields with 80% infection near the coast .
High levels of Cercospora creeping in even after 2 fungicides ..don’t seem to touch it ….
Sugars will be v low Aug dullest on East side of country for many years …
An enticing offer from BS yet ……for next year ……
He had seen fields with 80% infection near the coast .
High levels of Cercospora creeping in even after 2 fungicides ..don’t seem to touch it ….
Sugars will be v low Aug dullest on East side of country for many years …
An enticing offer from BS yet ……for next year ……
- Location
- south norfolk, uk
A "like" for sympathy.Beet job iffy still virus in my beet fields told 2% by chap who assessed it looked more to me !
He had seen fields with 80% infection near the coast .
High levels of Cercospora creeping in even after 2 fungicides ..don’t seem to touch it ….
Sugars will be v low Aug dullest on East side of country for many years …
An enticing offer from BS yet ……for next year ……
Virus yellows in ours, "oh it's not much"
I'd say close to
15-20%
Apparently early yield digs have higher than expected sugarsBeet job iffy still virus in my beet fields told 2% by chap who assessed it looked more to me !
He had seen fields with 80% infection near the coast .
High levels of Cercospora creeping in even after 2 fungicides ..don’t seem to touch it ….
Sugars will be v low Aug dullest on East side of country for many years …
An enticing offer from BS yet ……for next year ……
I’m confused
- Location
- West Suffolk
Apparently early yield digs have higher than expected sugars
Yes BS keep talking the job up!
Bit like the BBRO pod casts, all
Very jaunty and happy sounding, hardly any virus seen according to the experts!
Do they colour sort it and charge or just goes in milling lump ?
Colour sort and charge. One may suggest that the reduced levels of ergot now required is linked to the increasing number of AIC members who have expensive colour sorters and want to pay for them….. as we know the AIC is massively anti farmer as evidenced by their collusion with red tractor.
Woldgrain Storage
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- Location
- Hemswell, North Lincs
To suggest that individual TASCC stores have any influence over AIC ergot policy is quite a conspiracy theory
- Location
- Lincolnshire
If there was some uniformity in the application of the limits it would help.
Some feed mills seem quite good about it. Some are a nightmare and seem to reject loads just because they have seen a piece of ergot. Well if its less than limit that shouldn't matter.
I can understand flour mills don't want any, but do they have they own colour sorters? If so, surely seeing seeing one piece of ergot in a load isn't a disaster.
I'm confused really. So much anecdotal stuff and heresay around. Seemingly widely different input standards across merchants and mills.
State clearly what the requirement is, and we will either meet it or won't send it in without further cleaning. Give us a chance. Fed of up playing roulette. I had loads last year rejected at one mill, taken in by another. Absolute waste of time and diesel and expense for growers. What are the powers that be doing about it, or is it the case we have to prepare for zero tolerance of ergot. Does anybody actually know?
Some feed mills seem quite good about it. Some are a nightmare and seem to reject loads just because they have seen a piece of ergot. Well if its less than limit that shouldn't matter.
I can understand flour mills don't want any, but do they have they own colour sorters? If so, surely seeing seeing one piece of ergot in a load isn't a disaster.
I'm confused really. So much anecdotal stuff and heresay around. Seemingly widely different input standards across merchants and mills.
State clearly what the requirement is, and we will either meet it or won't send it in without further cleaning. Give us a chance. Fed of up playing roulette. I had loads last year rejected at one mill, taken in by another. Absolute waste of time and diesel and expense for growers. What are the powers that be doing about it, or is it the case we have to prepare for zero tolerance of ergot. Does anybody actually know?
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Yes spring wheat has been good this year, yield and quality wise. Much better bushel than my winter wheat.Hmm fields done so far around 2.5 t acre hope last one bit better ....hopefully some profit in job after the colour sorting etc ....
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Here we go:-
The limit is 0.001% in feed.
Zero in milling wheat.
That's clear enough.
Can't see a way round it for milling wheat without a colour sorter.
If it's visible in a feed heap then its iffy.
That's how it looks to me.
For us the days of on farm wheat preparation for direct move to mills are over. It's going have to go to a central store for cleaning or be dropped as a crop.
Suck it up or drop it. That's the bottom line.
The limit is 0.001% in feed.
Zero in milling wheat.
That's clear enough.
Can't see a way round it for milling wheat without a colour sorter.
If it's visible in a feed heap then its iffy.
That's how it looks to me.
For us the days of on farm wheat preparation for direct move to mills are over. It's going have to go to a central store for cleaning or be dropped as a crop.
Suck it up or drop it. That's the bottom line.
tullah
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- Location
- Linconshire
But putting it over a colour sorter Will that guarantee 100% free of ergot. As you say if millers find one ergot after it's been over a sorter then it gets expensive.