Brexit again.

Hindsight

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Bit confused here pro Leave folk. Government slips in a mini budget raising taxes to gather in £12bn a year, mainly from the working poor. Yet where is that £350million a week referred to on the Brexit Bus which would raise £15bn annually, which is I recall was going to help out with funding the NHS. I am of course a totally thick voter, so never did understand any of it. Hey ho.

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robs1

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Bit confused here pro Leave folk. Government slips in a mini budget raising taxes to gather in £12bn a year, mainly from the working poor. Yet where is that £350million a week referred to on the Brexit Bus which would raise £15bn annually, which is I recall was going to help out with funding the NHS. I am of course a totally thick voter, so never did understand any of it. Hey ho.

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How much has covid cost ? Not only the uk but every country in the world has spent billions it has to be paid back, allegedly there are 1.5 million unemployed here yet companies cant find workers, yet no one dare mention this fact or the fact that we all have to pay more tax to pay off the covid debt and pay for an aging population's care. Personally Ithink all foreign based internet firms should have an transaction tax applied but it's probably quite difficult to apply.
 

thesilentone

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Livestock Farmer
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Cumbria
Bit confused here pro Leave folk. Government slips in a mini budget raising taxes to gather in £12bn a year, mainly from the working poor. Yet where is that £350million a week referred to on the Brexit Bus which would raise £15bn annually, which is I recall was going to help out with funding the NHS. I am of course a totally thick voter, so never did understand any of it. Hey ho.

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Not right what you are saying, it will be paid mainly by the higher earners, as usual.

However, raising taxes is the right call, but the policy and pr are a load of bxxxcks.

Adult social care, and dealing with the NHS backlog are two separate policies, lumping them together is a fudge.

Just shows how you can get away with anything when you have no opposition.
 

thesilentone

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Livestock Farmer
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Cumbria
https://www.endsreport.com/article/...e-rules-relaxed-supply-chain-disruptions-bite

A sh!t creek likely to be available near you any day soon, it seems.

Absolutely F all to do with Brexit !!

The driver shortage has been a ticking time-bomb across the EU for the last five years, it's a demographic problem, to many drivers retiring.

So, the water Companies have sat on their hands, even though they knew about the problem, and hey-presto, a supply problem, "let's blame Brexit" !
 

Ncap

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Absolutely F all to do with Brexit !!

The driver shortage has been a ticking time-bomb across the EU for the last five years, it's a demographic problem, to many drivers retiring.

So, the water Companies have sat on their hands, even though they knew about the problem, and hey-presto, a supply problem, "let's blame Brexit" !
'course you're right guv'nor. Odd that the same shortages aren't emptying EO country shelves but, as Sheryl Crow used to sing, 'if it makes you happy...'
 

thesilentone

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Cumbria
'course you're right guv'nor. Odd that the same shortages aren't emptying EO country shelves but, as Sheryl Crow used to sing, 'if it makes you happy...'

I'm just the messenger:

 

thesilentone

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Cumbria
Your own cited article states that Brexit is a significant contributory factor.
I don't see the words "significant contributory factor" !!

But I do see:

"The logistics industry has been warning about driver shortages for many years"

"The UK is in a particularly difficult position as it is not only grappling with Brexit, but it also saw many European workers leave over the course of the pandemic, as fears over lockdowns grew."

"Even before the pandemic a serious cause for concern in the industry, the lack of drivers in the road transport industry was at an all-time high, "

"The driver shortages have been affecting the global road freight market for around 15 years"

...and from another article:

"The report says: “In Germany, the DSLV transport union reports that in the next 15 years, two-thirds of drivers will retire. Germany is facing a shortage of 45,000 truck drivers, with around 30,000 leaving the profession every year. This compares with only 2,000 people receiving truck-driving qualifications each year.”

 

thesilentone

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It was the second reason on the list - and they weren't in alphabetical order.

Not arguing over whether its the main or secondary reasons though, but it's certainly not 'F all'.
Well there is the whole article, please highlight the words "significant contributory factor"
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Bath, UK: The logistics industry has been warning about driver shortages for many years but a combination of Covid-19, Brexit and the ongoing structural issues restricting the supply of drivers has brought us to a crisis point.

In the UK there is a shortfall of at least 76,000 drivers. Across Europe the total reaches 400,000 drivers, according to research by Transport Intelligence.

Ti’s latest research paper on European Driver Shortages assesses the scale of the crisis, country by country.

The most heavily affected European countries are Poland, the UK and Germany. The UK is in a particularly difficult position as it is not only grappling with Brexit, but it also saw many European workers leave over the course of the pandemic, as fears over lockdowns grew.

Poland: According to Ti estimates, the shortage in Poland in 2020 is around 124,000 drivers. According to IRU, Poland is one of the most heavily impacted European countries and driver shortage in 2020 stands at around 37%.
UK: The shortfall of truck drivers in 2020 is estimated at 60,000-76,000. The RHA estimates that there is currently a shortfall of about 60,000 hauliers in the UK. According to data from the Q2 Labour Force Survey for 2020, the calculated shortfall is even higher than RHA estimates and stands at around 76,000.
Germany: Between 45,000 and 60,000 truck drivers are ‘missing’ in 2020 in the German market alone, according to the DSLV and BGL, and this number is only increasing. The IRU predicts a gap of 185,000 drivers by 2027 in Germany.
France: In 2019 it has been reported by several news outlets that France is experiencing a shortage of approximately 43,000 drivers.
Spain: According to Ti estimates, the shortfall of truck drivers in Spain was 15,340 in 2020.
Italy: The shortfall in Italy in 2019 was estimated at around 15,000 drivers according to various sources including National newspaper Corriere della Sera. 4 European Driver Shortages
Denmark, Norway & Sweden: The Scandinavian countries figures are not as high, but the shortage of drivers has spread across Europe. The shortage figures from 2017 for Sweden, Denmark and Norway are 5,000, 2,500 and 3,000, respectively.
Belarus: In 2019, it was estimated that there is a shortage of 4,500 drivers in Belarus.
Ukraine: The deficit of drivers in Ukraine in 2019 ranged from 12,000 to 120,000 depending on the region.

The driver shortages have been affecting the global road freight market for around 15 years. The issue comes as the pool of truck drivers is contracting but demand for transport is rising. The COVID-19 pandemic has further exacerbated the already alarming issue of driver shortages as new drivers have been unable to train and take their tests and Covid restrictions make the job even less attractive.

Even before the pandemic a serious cause for concern in the industry, the lack of drivers in the road transport industry was at an all-time high, with many of its underlying issues being long-term challenges. Factors such as an aging workforce and insufficient numbers of new recruits, due to working conditions and image issues of the profession, have been plaguing the industry for many years.

Ti’s latest research paper on European Driver Shortages assesses the scale of the crisis across Europe and examines the policies, strategies and technologies being proposed and implemented by regulators and road freight operators to help alleviate the crisis.
 

Highland Mule

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Livestock Farmer
Well there is the whole article, please highlight the words "significant contributory factor"
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Bath, UK: The logistics industry has been warning about driver shortages for many years but a combination of Covid-19, Brexit and the ongoing structural issues restricting the supply of drivers has brought us to a crisis point.

In the UK there is a shortfall of at least 76,000 drivers. Across Europe the total reaches 400,000 drivers, according to research by Transport Intelligence.

Ti’s latest research paper on European Driver Shortages assesses the scale of the crisis, country by country.

The most heavily affected European countries are Poland, the UK and Germany. The UK is in a particularly difficult position as it is not only grappling with Brexit, but it also saw many European workers leave over the course of the pandemic, as fears over lockdowns grew.

Poland: According to Ti estimates, the shortage in Poland in 2020 is around 124,000 drivers. According to IRU, Poland is one of the most heavily impacted European countries and driver shortage in 2020 stands at around 37%.
UK: The shortfall of truck drivers in 2020 is estimated at 60,000-76,000. The RHA estimates that there is currently a shortfall of about 60,000 hauliers in the UK. According to data from the Q2 Labour Force Survey for 2020, the calculated shortfall is even higher than RHA estimates and stands at around 76,000.
Germany: Between 45,000 and 60,000 truck drivers are ‘missing’ in 2020 in the German market alone, according to the DSLV and BGL, and this number is only increasing. The IRU predicts a gap of 185,000 drivers by 2027 in Germany.
France: In 2019 it has been reported by several news outlets that France is experiencing a shortage of approximately 43,000 drivers.
Spain: According to Ti estimates, the shortfall of truck drivers in Spain was 15,340 in 2020.
Italy: The shortfall in Italy in 2019 was estimated at around 15,000 drivers according to various sources including National newspaper Corriere della Sera. 4 European Driver Shortages
Denmark, Norway & Sweden: The Scandinavian countries figures are not as high, but the shortage of drivers has spread across Europe. The shortage figures from 2017 for Sweden, Denmark and Norway are 5,000, 2,500 and 3,000, respectively.
Belarus: In 2019, it was estimated that there is a shortage of 4,500 drivers in Belarus.
Ukraine: The deficit of drivers in Ukraine in 2019 ranged from 12,000 to 120,000 depending on the region.

The driver shortages have been affecting the global road freight market for around 15 years. The issue comes as the pool of truck drivers is contracting but demand for transport is rising. The COVID-19 pandemic has further exacerbated the already alarming issue of driver shortages as new drivers have been unable to train and take their tests and Covid restrictions make the job even less attractive.

Even before the pandemic a serious cause for concern in the industry, the lack of drivers in the road transport industry was at an all-time high, with many of its underlying issues being long-term challenges. Factors such as an aging workforce and insufficient numbers of new recruits, due to working conditions and image issues of the profession, have been plaguing the industry for many years.

Ti’s latest research paper on European Driver Shortages assesses the scale of the crisis across Europe and examines the policies, strategies and technologies being proposed and implemented by regulators and road freight operators to help alleviate the crisis.

Okay, so maybe I shouldn't have used the word significant. It's a factor, and one of only three cited in the preamble.

Show me where it says 'F all'.
 

Ncap

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There is also the tangential but nonetheless significant greenlighting of dumping effluent anywhere and everywhere so we can once again become the dirty man of Europe
 

thesilentone

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Cumbria
Okay, so I shouldn't have used the word significant. It's a factor, and one of only three cited in the preamble.

Show me where it says 'F all'.


No, you most defiantly should not. However, it's fairly typical of the fake news World we live in.

The driver shortage is f all to do with Brexit, however Brexit (amongst the other issues listed) has brought it to a crises point (or that's what I read).

If the 'in' end of new drivers compared to the 'out' end of those leaving is as described in the German report, no wonder their is a shortage.
 

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