Going to have a Swale of a time! (I hope)

AftonShepherd

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Ayrshire
So, rightly or wrongly, I've bought (well on behalf of my boss) 195 Swale ewes to replace a portion of my NCC flock.
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Gathered up next to the loading banks at Kendal yesterday.

Had a grand day down south, prices up about £20 on the year but managed to get some that I liked for for an average of £125 - all 2 or 3 crop which came as a pleasant surprise to someone used to Blackfaces and Cheviots.

Some background to my decision. When I came here almost 20 years ago the hill flock was nearly all BF but they'd started crossing through to park NCC. First cross ewes were an improvement in every way on the BFs but over time scanning figures dropped and ewes aren't as maternal. We tried hill NCC for a few years without any noticeable difference apart from lambs being smaller!

The boss at the time decided to try reintroducing some BFs to cross again and see if that helped, but whether they were a different kind it certainly didn't have the desired effect so that was soon abandoned.

I "inherited" 100 Lleyn ewes when my boss restructured the estate after massive losses during the beast from the east but again they were a massive disappointment - scanned better than the Cheviots the first year but couldn't keep the flesh on them, again maybe the wrong kind of Lleyn but once bitten twice shy.

We've blood tested loads over the years and never had any adverse results. Despite that we tried bolusing for 2 years with no noticeable difference in either average condition nor scanning percentages.

So, I spun the dice again and the Swale came up. The estate were never adverse to using them sporadically in our BF flock and the retired herd from the time swore by them for maternal instinct, and grazing the hill properly which is another thing our NCCs aren't particularly good at. Also, a new neighbour has been buying old Swales for years to breed his own mules. If they're half (or even quarter) as good as he says they are then I can only win.

Following up from lambing time heres how the cheviot x swales are doing. Lambs are back to the cheviot so 3/4 chv. View attachment 972072View attachment 972073View attachment 972074View attachment 972075
Should also add that this post certainly didn't do any harm when making my decision.

My intention at the moment is to eventually have 300 of them (topped up every year as required) all tupped with our existing NCC tups, keep all decent ewe lambs and in time end up with the remaining ewes (900) all being either half or 3/4 NCC.

I had intended to take more photos today but having been yarded for the best part of 48 hours they looked a lot narrower than they did yesterday so more will follow once they settle down.

I'll try and keep this going with occasional photos, as much as anything as a diary and progress tracker but not promising to be either as regular as @Gator or @Nithsdale Farmer, or as funny as @spin cycle. And there certainly won't be any selfies!
 

Bill dog

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Scottish Borders
They should do well for you . It’ll shake up the local to you blackie mafia !👍
For what it’s worth, I sold my Hereford bull before I moved to a chap from a hill farm north of Crieff. He had always been a blackie hill, but had moved to Swaledale ewes 5 years ago , and was delighted with them. Better mothers, and he assured me they were far better grazers .
Good on you starting your own thread. Just be careful in a couple of months when you pull your tups off !!!
😂😂👍
 

AftonShepherd

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Livestock Farmer
Location
East Ayrshire
heres some pictures of the 3/4 cheviot ewe lambs. View attachment 987831View attachment 987834
Cracking looking lambs. Do many of the 3/4 still have a bit of colour on their faces? When we crossed through from BFs originally there was still an odd coloured face at 7/8ths.

Most hill lambs go store so that's where I might get a slight hit, just hoping for more lambs to make up for it.
 

Stw88

Member
Location
Northumberland
Not many. Think the back one in the top picture may be a 1/2. My plan is to put a leicter x texel on the ones that arnt good enough to go back to the cheviot so will hopefully end up with a stretchy white faced lamb that should sell ok in the store. Find they end up smaller dumpy lambs put to the texel although i just had a handfull as an experiment last year.
 

AftonShepherd

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Ayrshire
Not many. Think the back one in the top picture may be a 1/2. My plan is to put a leicter x texel on the ones that arnt good enough to go back to the cheviot so will hopefully end up with a stretchy white faced lamb that should sell ok in the store. Find they end up smaller dumpy lambs put to the texel although i just had a handfull as an experiment last year.
I have a couple of Aberfields here that a previous manager bought, and kept for spares, but might do the same job. Also got an Aberfield x Cheviot shearling that was kept almost by mistake but has grown into a cracking commercial sheep that I might use over some. Tempted to try and breed more like him.
 

Old Tup

Member
Not many. Think the back one in the top picture may be a 1/2. My plan is to put a leicter x texel on the ones that arnt good enough to go back to the cheviot so will hopefully end up with a stretchy white faced lamb that should sell ok in the store. Find they end up smaller dumpy lambs put to the texel although i just had a handfull as an experiment last year.
Texel X BFL will be a better Cross…..(Trad BFL)
 

Gator

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Location
Lancashire
So, rightly or wrongly, I've bought (well on behalf of my boss) 195 Swale ewes to replace a portion of my NCC flock.
View attachment 987755
Gathered up next to the loading banks at Kendal yesterday.

Had a grand day down south, prices up about £20 on the year but managed to get some that I liked for for an average of £125 - all 2 or 3 crop which came as a pleasant surprise to someone used to Blackfaces and Cheviots.

Some background to my decision. When I came here almost 20 years ago the hill flock was nearly all BF but they'd started crossing through to park NCC. First cross ewes were an improvement in every way on the BFs but over time scanning figures dropped and ewes aren't as maternal. We tried hill NCC for a few years without any noticeable difference apart from lambs being smaller!

The boss at the time decided to try reintroducing some BFs to cross again and see if that helped, but whether they were a different kind it certainly didn't have the desired effect so that was soon abandoned.

I "inherited" 100 Lleyn ewes when my boss restructured the estate after massive losses during the beast from the east but again they were a massive disappointment - scanned better than the Cheviots the first year but couldn't keep the flesh on them, again maybe the wrong kind of Lleyn but once bitten twice shy.

We've blood tested loads over the years and never had any adverse results. Despite that we tried bolusing for 2 years with no noticeable difference in either average condition nor scanning percentages.

So, I spun the dice again and the Swale came up. The estate were never adverse to using them sporadically in our BF flock and the retired herd from the time swore by them for maternal instinct, and grazing the hill properly which is another thing our NCCs aren't particularly good at. Also, a new neighbour has been buying old Swales for years to breed his own mules. If they're half (or even quarter) as good as he says they are then I can only win.


Should also add that this post certainly didn't do any harm when making my decision.

My intention at the moment is to eventually have 300 of them (topped up every year as required) all tupped with our existing NCC tups, keep all decent ewe lambs and in time end up with the remaining ewes (900) all being either half or 3/4 NCC.

I had intended to take more photos today but having been yarded for the best part of 48 hours they looked a lot narrower than they did yesterday so more will follow once they settle down.

I'll try and keep this going with occasional photos, as much as anything as a diary and progress tracker but not promising to be either as regular as @Gator or @Nithsdale Farmer, or as funny as @spin cycle. And there certainly won't be any selfies!

Well fine mate (y) and wish you all the luck in your new venture.
No selfies, what's up, you'll be reet we don't watch crime watch🤣🤣🤣
Dad was a big Gritstone man, hated the bloody things, lazy and not very mothery, same situation as you poor lambing, prone to sway back, thankfully not had any since they went, struggled to fined decent tups wi some bone and length and thought the breed had lost alot if its power. Tried swales but just didn't do here for what ever reason. Now run around 500+ texel x chevi and 200+ pure chevis which do well.

Looking forward to your journey mate, Its nice to look back and see how it's all gone with all the good and the bad .
Good luck (y)

 
Swales will cover more of the hill especially the higher bits but will find any weak points in your fencing , northies tend to graze in small groups ( if you see 1 then normally another 2 or more near bye ) swales will graze as singles ( every time i gathered the hill and looked back a swale would appear out of a gully or from the back of a knoll ) Big tits can be a problem not with singles on the hill but twins / triplets fed harder and better ground can have big tits . Swale x hill northies had more mottled faces , tighter coats , smaller horns than SBF crosses , so i assume out of park northie rams horns will be virtually nothing . You must have a kind hill to carry park northie x's any time iv'e tried it i couldn't keep the flesh on and i know a couple of others who tried with the same results . Would you not breed your own park rams and then only use twins or better to improve lambing % over the long term
 

yellowbelly

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
N.Lincs
So, rightly or wrongly, I've bought (well on behalf of my boss) 195 Swale ewes to replace a portion of my NCC flock.
View attachment 987755
Gathered up next to the loading banks at Kendal yesterday.

Had a grand day down south, prices up about £20 on the year but managed to get some that I liked for for an average of £125 - all 2 or 3 crop which came as a pleasant surprise to someone used to Blackfaces and Cheviots.

Some background to my decision. When I came here almost 20 years ago the hill flock was nearly all BF but they'd started crossing through to park NCC. First cross ewes were an improvement in every way on the BFs but over time scanning figures dropped and ewes aren't as maternal. We tried hill NCC for a few years without any noticeable difference apart from lambs being smaller!

The boss at the time decided to try reintroducing some BFs to cross again and see if that helped, but whether they were a different kind it certainly didn't have the desired effect so that was soon abandoned.

I "inherited" 100 Lleyn ewes when my boss restructured the estate after massive losses during the beast from the east but again they were a massive disappointment - scanned better than the Cheviots the first year but couldn't keep the flesh on them, again maybe the wrong kind of Lleyn but once bitten twice shy.

We've blood tested loads over the years and never had any adverse results. Despite that we tried bolusing for 2 years with no noticeable difference in either average condition nor scanning percentages.

So, I spun the dice again and the Swale came up. The estate were never adverse to using them sporadically in our BF flock and the retired herd from the time swore by them for maternal instinct, and grazing the hill properly which is another thing our NCCs aren't particularly good at. Also, a new neighbour has been buying old Swales for years to breed his own mules. If they're half (or even quarter) as good as he says they are then I can only win.


Should also add that this post certainly didn't do any harm when making my decision.

My intention at the moment is to eventually have 300 of them (topped up every year as required) all tupped with our existing NCC tups, keep all decent ewe lambs and in time end up with the remaining ewes (900) all being either half or 3/4 NCC.

I had intended to take more photos today but having been yarded for the best part of 48 hours they looked a lot narrower than they did yesterday so more will follow once they settle down.

I'll try and keep this going with occasional photos, as much as anything as a diary and progress tracker but not promising to be either as regular as @Gator or @Nithsdale Farmer, or as funny as @spin cycle. And there certainly won't be any selfies!
Good to see we're going to have another diary thread to 'simulate ovine debates' on TFF. (y)

As we've already got three, that'll make you our Channel
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.........IIRC, when the other Channel 4 started (way back when) it always had the 'more risque' type of content available on the telly at the time :playful:

Looking forward to it ;)
 
I`m getting worried already.......... ;)

Don’t worry I’m thinking of the positive things about Swales .....

- You don’t mind if one dies because at least then you have one less Swale.

- When they do die they are easy to move because they generally weigh bugger all and have Horns to drag them by.

- They like to escape ane wander which means if you are lucky they will get out, go away and never come back.
 

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