Can No-till /Regen Agric survive without glyphosate? if not we are DOOMED!! I think it can..

chaffcutter · Oct 2, 2021

Years ago when I happened to mention over a drink one night to some friends that the contractors had been that day to burn off the spuds with acid, they were horrified and said they would never eat spuds treated like that!
Back then just about everyone used acid so it would have been difficult for them to avoid it.

juke · Oct 3, 2021

glyphosate is harmful to certain microbial life and fungi, same as using strobs. both are harmful to soil bacteria n fungi, most strobs have been banned here for quite a while, love to get by without glyphosate but its not so we have to do other things to help repair the damage it causes. plenty other things can be done to help the land. a little bit of tillage isnt quite as bad as people think at times, certainly is not top of my list for harming the land ...

Farmer Roy · Oct 3, 2021

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Banana Bar · Oct 3, 2021

farmerm said:
Electricity, maybe, if the right technology comes along... I had doubts but I am starting to see it might eventually become a practical solution, maybe another 20 years or so... Its never going to be as cheap or quick as a 24m sprayer with 4L of glyphosate though.

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When using electricity does the charge only travel through the plants and roots? Otherwise I wouldn’t want to be a worm!

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Humble Village Farmer · Oct 3, 2021

Banana Bar said:
When using electricity does the charge only travel through the plants and roots? Otherwise I wouldn’t want to be a worm!

BB

The person to ask about that is @Kiwi Pete.

som farmer · Oct 3, 2021

Humble Village Farmer said:
The person to ask about that is @Kiwi Pete.

you never know, we might end up with 'glow worms'

Kiwi Pete · Oct 3, 2021

Humble Village Farmer said:
The person to ask about that is @Kiwi Pete.

I'm mostly staying out of this thread

it would depend on the density of weeds being shocked, really.
I was sizzling patchy thistles and didn't notice any worm casualties, but if it was a virtual forest of them then I would have been travelling a lot slower and causing more damage to the biome, I'd expect. My weed machine was covering about 6ha per hour or so without tripping the breaker on the generator, I can only imagine what you could do with something like an old PTO welder transformed up to a similar voltage

still have the transformer if anyone wants to dice with death

farmerm · Oct 3, 2021

Banana Bar said:
When using electricity does the charge only travel through the plants and roots? Otherwise I wouldn’t want to be a worm!

BB

Probably not good news for worms but then neither is the arrival of a plough and a flock of seagulls...

som farmer · Oct 3, 2021

years ago, ploughing, you would be in the midst of 1,000's seagulls, plough a few in, when to close to the plough, now, lucky to see a couple of hundred, the reason, not enough worms. Worms help to improve the soil, say's it all, the fewer mole hills are caused by lack of worms.

Chris F · Oct 3, 2021

We are going to be able to learn from Germany, as having they just banned it from 2024. Or did I dream that?

R J · Oct 3, 2021

Chris F said:
We are going to be able to learn from Germany, as having they just banned it from 2024. Or did I dream that?

Yes I have read this too , trying to "phase out " it's use up to a ban in 2024 ,

Will Blackburn · Oct 3, 2021

R J said:
Yes I have read this too , trying to "phase out " it's use up to a ban in 2024 ,

That’ll come round quick

R J · Oct 3, 2021

Will Blackburn said:
That’ll come round quick

Won't it !!!

Slick · Oct 3, 2021

steveR said:
Well, their website suggests renewables can be used, so that would suggest a big ass battery?? Or a gennie on the 3 point...

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som farmer · Oct 3, 2021

Slick said:
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hand hoeing, by the unemployed, or even prisioners, an answer to every problem.

steveR · Oct 3, 2021

Slick said:
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Gennies...

holwellcourtfarm · Oct 3, 2021

spin cycle said:
..'i'm going into regenerative agriculture...the first thing i need is a spray that kills all plant life'

Overview of glyphosate-resistant weeds worldwide - PubMed

Glyphosate is the most widely used and successful herbicide discovered to date, but its utility is now threatened by the occurrence of several glyphosate-resistant weed species. Glyphosate resistance first appeared in Lolium rigidum in an apple orchard in Australia in 1996, ironically the year...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Thirty-eight weed species have now evolved resistance to glyphosate, distributed across 37 countries and in 34 different crops and six non-crop situations."
Written in 2018.

Just sayin'.........

som farmer · Oct 3, 2021

holwellcourtfarm said:
Overview of glyphosate-resistant weeds worldwide - PubMed

Glyphosate is the most widely used and successful herbicide discovered to date, but its utility is now threatened by the occurrence of several glyphosate-resistant weed species. Glyphosate resistance first appeared in Lolium rigidum in an apple orchard in Australia in 1996, ironically the year...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Thirty-eight weed species have now evolved resistance to glyphosate, distributed across 37 countries and in 34 different crops and six non-crop situations."
Written in 2018.

Just sayin'.........

ah, as long as it kills 99% of all known weeds, the other 1% is neither here nor there, just like wormers, antibiotics etc etc, till it becomes 20 or 30% or more.
There will be solutions, just not so good, and more expensive, and there's nothing we can do about it, so no point worrying.
The r-u resistant crops, must be a game changer, in some of the poorer countries, struggling to produce enough food, the better the diet, the more children survive, what will happen to those countries, if they ban it, an even bigger crisis ?

steveR · Oct 3, 2021

holwellcourtfarm said:
Overview of glyphosate-resistant weeds worldwide - PubMed

Glyphosate is the most widely used and successful herbicide discovered to date, but its utility is now threatened by the occurrence of several glyphosate-resistant weed species. Glyphosate resistance first appeared in Lolium rigidum in an apple orchard in Australia in 1996, ironically the year...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Thirty-eight weed species have now evolved resistance to glyphosate, distributed across 37 countries and in 34 different crops and six non-crop situations."
Written in 2018.

Just sayin'.........

Paraquat?

Just sayin'....

farmerfred86 · Oct 3, 2021

lets see how germany get on in 2024. I suspect what happens there will set the standard for the rest of europe before the decade is out.

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