that was always the case of paying more, some will choose to only work half a week, like some doctors today? but going back to the so called good old days early 1970s early 1980s i know then many people like plasterers could work say 3 days a week earn enough to spend the rest in the pub? Same as many of the workers on the papers in fleet steet london many were so well paid, that they could work just a few days a week ? Now then, if you wanted to get on, you worked hard remember a chap called super hod in the 1970s?
Skills Shortage Will This Story Ever End?
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Wont happen as the cost of living is going up , if the mortgage rate goes up dramatically you`ll see people asking for 60 hr weeks.
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I'm kinda the other way and frequently whince when I hear 'photocopier engineer' or similar - I think that the French have it right as I understand they have protection for the title, and only allow if used for those with the necessary qualifications. I'd class an engineering degree or equivalent as a reasonable minimum to class someone as an engineer.
I've had this in reverse (degree qualified ag engineer) when asked what I did and said agricultural engineer, 99% of the replies would come back as "oh so you fix tractors then" Whereas if I'd said Structural engineer the response would be very different. Funny thing, people's perception of roles
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I think Chartered is Masters level
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Last I looked it was heading that way as a minimum, although historic qualification to a lower level was sufficient to get chartership. There were limited opportunities for Masters when I graduated and only a limited number went that way - probably fewer than did PhDs.
Chartered is awarded by the Engineering Council via an engineering institution. I believe for most the education requirements are equivalent to Masters level, but you also need peer reviewed skills and experience. Again this varies between institutions - some are easier than others - but it's rarely a rubber stamp.
I love it how the big ag universities such as Harper Adams and Cirencester make a massive point that a qualification from their institute opens doors everywhere all over the world in any industry. The actual reality is it opens doors within agriculture only, 99% of the time. If my children want to go to uni then it certainly won't be an agricultural one because its even more important nowadays not to be shoe holed into uk agriculture only. You might as well just put all the cash into a barrel and burn it for what you actually gain from an ag university. Whats UK agriculture going to look like in 10 years?
@D14 I think its a personal thing- if you've got the aptitude and ability to apply the grey matter to the situation you're in then the skills most definitely are transferrable.
IT was quoted to me once that the most effective degree course isn't the subject but the one that challenges and teaches you how to question and think....
IT was quoted to me once that the most effective degree course isn't the subject but the one that challenges and teaches you how to question and think....
In this day and age its all about opening doors to get a leg up the ladder so if you've somebody who's done a food marketing degree at ag uni and somebody who did a straight marketing degree at a none ag uni. Then the food marketing person wants to move away from food marketing into straight marketing say for the likes of Apple or Microsoft (so a big change in direction), they won't even get an interview due to the number of applicants with straight marketing degrees flooding the company with cv's. I have seen this example first hand with a friends son. Yes you could say its one example but its not as a lot of his friends who were at the same ag uni as him can't get jobs outside of agriculture as they are all wanting out and into none agricultural jobs.
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It is now but wasn’t when I qualified. To gain chartered status you needed to have done an accredited degree course with an element of approved training approved by the Insitution. Then I had to do two years of recorded training and devopment in industry under the guidance of a mentor who had to be chartered. Then I had to attend an interview with two Fellows of the Institute to justify why I thought I deserved the qualification. I had to show technical as well as some management achievement.
Quite an effort to get a monthly magazine.
It is now possible to be an ordinary member (not chartered) of the Institution of Engineering and Technology with a basic degree and maybe some recorded experience, but not chartered by the Engineering Council with a higher level degree.
Despite all this you are only as good as the last job you did, so many employers aren’t that interested in chartered status.
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Half the battle in an engineering career is keeping abreast of new products and systems. It’s alright being able to think but if you aren’t familiar with latest programming language or computer platform then you are soon outdated and redundant. You can never stop learning. Much I hate CPD, its essential now if you want to get on. Hence my earlier post about education now being a life long affair.
Stewie
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It is that way at least in France, Germany and Italy, but probably in most of Europe.
chartered "CEng" is completely different from having done a masters "MEng". to get CEng you need a relevant BSc, BEng, MSc or MEng to start with, then appropriate experience/learning/courses with proof of experience kept in a logbook, then the appropriate instition e.g. IMechE, IET etc. will grant you CEng status, usually after an interview.
MEng is however beneficial as otherwise you need to demonstrate MEng level learning as the first part of the progression.
M-J-G
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kiwi pom
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That's the problem, the whole country is hiring. Everyone wants to be a boss, no one wants to be the employee
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Lesson of the day , don't listen to the news , lesson two , if you listen to the news dont post the crap on here.
What were all those queues outside petrol stations , suddenly they disappeared, ,,,
What were all those queues outside petrol stations , suddenly they disappeared, ,,,
Made that up just now did you? Cirencester offers offers more than ag degree`s https://www.rau.ac.uk/ugcourses
kiwi pom
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I was wondering about that, haven't seen much about the horrific driver shortage that was going to the destroy the country, for a few days. Did it suddenly fix itself?