Shooting Foxhounds.

Location
southwest
I’ve never been more miserable than when having had to put a good dog to sleep. I still feel the loss of dogs keenly, sometimes years later.

It’s not nice to watch, and it was foolish to be allowed to be filmed, but if you’re in the business of killing animals for a living which many of us are, then you have to tread very carefully when criticising others who do the same.

Farmers are NOT in the business of killing animals for a living.

You sound like a Vegan activist with comments like that.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
You haven't been farming for long enough if you haven't had to shoot your own cat.
Of course it's not nice but if it's in agony what else are you supposed to do?
I don't see that as any different to what they do with spent fox hounds.
Argue against that and you argue against all of livestock farming.
It's the one's who keep old animals alive in goodness knows what pain that I take issue with. They keep them alive for their own emotional needs rather than the animals welfare, spending more on treatment than would save a refugee. Immoral.
 

Raider112

Member
I took one to the vet to get put down, never again.... the old girl knew. I've put a few dogs down in my time. It's a thing that stays with me a day or two afterwards, but I always make sure they never see it coming. There's nothing like a dog to break your heart.
When the time came for my dog we got the vet to come to the house. As for other methods, as shown on this thread, I see nothing wrong with it as long as it's quick and painless. When you see what some of us have to put up with in our final days I think most of us would prefer a less traumatic end.
The hound they showed on the news was carried out and it lay down when set down so it looked to me like a dog that was in it's final days anyway.
 

toquark

Member
Farmers are NOT in the business of killing animals for a living.

You sound like a Vegan activist with comments like that.
I sent 25 lambs to slaughter last Tuesday. I sent 40 the week before and probably another 30 or so in a fortnight. Plus another 60 or so in the new year. There will be a trailer full of cull ewes going on Monday.

If I’m not in the business of killing animals, can you explain exactly what I am doing?
 
You haven't been farming for long enough if you haven't had to shoot your own cat.
Of course it's not nice but if it's in agony what else are you supposed to do?
I don't see that as any different to what they do with spent fox hounds.
Argue against that and you argue against all of livestock farming.
It's the one's who keep old animals alive in goodness knows what pain that I take issue with. They keep them alive for their own emotional needs rather than the animals welfare, spending more on treatment than would save a refugee. Immoral.

bit like that bloody llama’s final moments, no regard for animal, all about the owner 😡
 

Cowmansam

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Shropshire
Friend of mines small animal nurse and says that’s the worst thing to do they have to try calm a dog who is usually well worked up either because they don’t like the vet or because the person who’s dropped them off has been upset and the dogs pick up on that we took our house dog the vet years ago big wolfhound took three jabs to find a vein then she took five mins to sleep sicked and pee'd I don’t think she was in pain but wasn’t relaxed and for me never again quick shot in there own environment when they never see it coming is the right thing to do you owe them that
 

unlacedgecko

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Fife
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"Nells"

It's an old photo and she's a lot greyer in the head now. I spend more time with this bitch than any other living being (including my Mrs). She's carried my business the past 5 years. This has allowed me to pay my bills.

In the next 3-6 yrs her body will degrade to the point she can't work anymore. I'll shoot her in the head and put the carcass in the deadstock bin for incineration.

There is no welfare compromise if an animal is killed instantly with a shot to the brain. Dead animals don't suffer and there are many fates with than death.

I'll be very sad, but I'll do my duty and see out my old friend personally. I won't let her fade into a shadow of her former self, rotting in a kennel for "retirement". I just hope someone is on hand to show me the same kindness when the time comes, if I'm unable to do it myself.
 

Farmer Roy

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Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
Farmers are NOT in the business of killing animals for a living.

You sound like a Vegan activist with comments like that.

err, where does beef, lamb, chicken, pork come from then ? 🤷‍♂️

so much criticism of “plant based meats” here, but apparently actually killing an animal is bad ?

forgive me for 50 of years of misconceptions, but I always thought farmers raised meat animals for slaughter ? Certainly every time I have bought & sold cattle it has been for the intention of them all eventually getting their heads chopped off . . .

the ONLY reason we raise beef or lamb or pork is with the intention of it being killed


Or are we just pretending it is like that “farming game” video game that was popular years ago, where the pigs just lost weight when their bacon was harvested & they then put it back on again ?
 

David.

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
J11 M40
Animals don't mind being dead, they mind suffering and being stressed.
If you have to carry or drag a dog into the vets for his final visit, you know he died stressed. A bullet in the back of the head, at home, perhaps while out on a final walk, or perhaps eating a lump of meat, is the way old dogs should go.
It is not pleasant, but it is the price of having had a good mate for 12yrs or so.
 

Farmer Roy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
I really don’t understand this English obsession with dogs & placing them at a higher value than any other sentient mammal ? Even humans . . .

why is it ok to kill a young healthy sheep or pig ( in fact, even to the outpouring of hatred & vitriol towards vegans who suggest it “isn’t necessary” ), yet somehow barbaric to kill an old sick dog or one that is not required any more ?

Pigs are incredibly intelligent animals, with a huge range of individual personalities, at least equal to dogs.
Yet, we are quite happy to eat bacon that has been raised in intensive farming systems? And criticise vegans for pointing this out 🤦‍♂️
 
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Farmer Roy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
Farmers are NOT in the business of killing animals for a living.

You sound like a Vegan activist with comments like that.

err, what about all the pigeons, crows, foxes, rabbits, rats, mice & all the other animals ( not to even begin to mention insect & microbial life ) that farmers are in the business of killing every day in the business of making a living ?
 

Farmer Roy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
If anyone ever had any experience with wild dogs ( by this I mean feral domestic dogs - NOT dingos ) or other peoples “pets” roaming lose & chasing livestock & wildlife in packs, or “pig dogs” that are unattended, then they would have NO squeamishness about killing dogs . . .

dogs are a bit like humans. Yes, you can have beautiful gentle loyal souls, but there are also an awful lot of arsehole c###%ts of dogs out there as well . . .

a .22 is better for “stealth” operations, but I find a .243 VERY effective if you aren’t worried about making a noise 👍🕺😁 A 90 grain projectile is a bit overkill for dogs, but a good “do everything” weight, especially for wild pigs
 

Farmer Roy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
I will point out, that I personally hate killing ANYTHING. I will relocate a spider outdoors rather than killing it in the bathroom . . .

But - I am very aware of the realities of our existence on this planet, and will kill anything if it is required or necessary & have no sentimentality ( or enjoyment ) over killing for food, protection, environmental or humane reasons. You just have to do it as quickly & humanely as possible, that’s all
 
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Bob

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Location
Co Durham
Friend of mines small animal nurse and says that’s the worst thing to do they have to try calm a dog who is usually well worked up either because they don’t like the vet or because the person who’s dropped them off has been upset and the dogs pick up on that we took our house dog the vet years ago big wolfhound took three jabs to find a vein then she took five mins to sleep sicked and pee'd I don’t think she was in pain but wasn’t relaxed and for me never again quick shot in there own environment when they never see it coming is the right thing to do you owe them that
When the time comes for an old dog I get the vet to come out to farm. They give it an injection to calm and sedate then a short while after give them another to kill them. No stress at all to the dog and you have time to say your farewellls
 

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

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