.... waste recycling centre? Bit harsh....
Shooting Foxhounds.
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CopperBeech
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- A Welsh man lost in England
Red Fred
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- Hants/Dorset border
Unfortunately, a good number of us will have far worse ends than that as humans seem to have variable scales of what constitutes kindness/cruelty.
The 4 pigs I took for sausages last week trotted happily out of the trailer on arrival, round the corner and were gone without any sign of stress whatsoever.
Mum became unsteady, had a failed spinal operation and then spent 6 years immobilised lying on a bed in our front room. She only moved when turned at each visit of the carers or when I came in and moved her legs up and down to help with cramp. Several times, she said she wished she could end it and would say "We never treated an animal like this". When I went in and found she had gone, I had a huge sense of relief, but also guilt for feeling that way.
Much as I love my pet dog, I obviously loved my mum even more, yet we, that is family, carers, NHS and society, kept her going to the bitter end. Having said that, and I often think of this when veganism comes up, mum never once said she wished she had never existed at all, and she was always grateful for the good years she had.
The 4 pigs I took for sausages last week trotted happily out of the trailer on arrival, round the corner and were gone without any sign of stress whatsoever.
Mum became unsteady, had a failed spinal operation and then spent 6 years immobilised lying on a bed in our front room. She only moved when turned at each visit of the carers or when I came in and moved her legs up and down to help with cramp. Several times, she said she wished she could end it and would say "We never treated an animal like this". When I went in and found she had gone, I had a huge sense of relief, but also guilt for feeling that way.
Much as I love my pet dog, I obviously loved my mum even more, yet we, that is family, carers, NHS and society, kept her going to the bitter end. Having said that, and I often think of this when veganism comes up, mum never once said she wished she had never existed at all, and she was always grateful for the good years she had.
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- Ledbury, Herefordshire
Lethal, injection is a bit random as each individual has a slightly different tolerance to the drugs.
I did my work experience in a vets as a 14 year old and as such, I saw quite a lot of dogs (and other creatures) put down, and it was me who'd be there when the owner had buggered off because they lacked the testicular fortitude to see an animal through to the end, the vet was more than competent. They still took varying amounts of time to die though.
Not a fan of the lethal injection for that reason - much prefer the bullet.
Like certain types of hunting with dogs, not a fan of "the hunt" though. Ineffective fox control and utter disregard for livestock in my experience, sadly (plus a certain Cotswold hunt having a punch up with sabs right (literally) on my bloody doorstep when my infant child was trying to sleep, didn't help).
- Location
- Cheshire
Aye, ours are all at the top of the bank overlooking the farm buildings. I’m terrible, I start weeping when I’m digging the hole. Suck it up so they don’t know there’s owt wrong while I put them down. Then have a right cry when filling the hole in. Apart from when it was old Bob’s time. That old barsteward bit everyone and everything. Brilliant guard dog but bloody hard too love when you couldn’t get near him without him wanting a taste!!
- Location
- Cheshire
By gaw. Well said!!
100% agree with you.
The hounds in our hunt were cared for and much appreciated individuals. Pups were reared in people's homes before going into the pack. The huntsmen/women were totaly devoted to them and at the end of their working days would dispatch them with a gun. Never a happy day but the kindess way. Hunt used to collect fallen stock for a small annual fee, not anymore... pay through the nose for knackerman now.
Some of my best days out hunting or working at kennels or being involved in hunt activties.
Big public turnout on boxing Day etc hunts but no more as hunt forced to close. A sad loss of a great tradition for our locality.
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- Scottish Highlands
The OP doesn't get it and never will. I have tried to contribute to this thread but can't find the words. I have shot and hunted in various ways all my life. I always put my own dogs and horses down because then I know it is done properly and humanely. The dogs I take out as if going to hunt/work and apply the bullet when I know they are totally unaware and relaxed. I have let some die of old age but stopped that when I realised I wasn't doing them any favours. I sit down in the field with the horses with my rifle across my knees and put the horse down when it is grazing contentedly. Frankly, I have to wait for a day when I can switch off entirely or I could not do it.
I have never seen a fox killed by the hunt but I have seen my own dogs catch and kill a rabbit. It is certainly not pretty, but it is quick. I have been in a few nasty car accidents and don't believe in such moments of trauma there is much time to experience pain. The most efficient fox control I ever saw was a friend's robbery pack of a couple of lurchers and two or three terriers. Another friend with all the latest gadgetry, including thermal imaging and electronic calls, has failed to do in three days what that pack achieved in an hour! We can plainly see the fox in the thermal 'scope, but not get him. In the same time, foxy has taken at least four expensive rare breed hens. How killing a fox with hounds can be likened to being a paedophile or drug dealer I do not know. Must have a very distorted view of the world.
I was at vet college but dropped out when I realised it was not for me. I have never regretted the decision. Some students/vets are just plain nasty. I lent one fellow student money, never got it back, and watched him closely thereafter. "You really don't like animals, do you?", I asked him. "No". he agreed, "but then I won't have much to do with them as I am going into government service on the administrative side". Another I watched in surgery said of a little old lady's dog, "I hope we can keep this one going a bit longer as it is a good money spinner". I know enough to recognise when vets abuse their profession to collect fees -- and I also recognise the good ones, and there are thankfully still a lot of them. The take over of private practices by big business is a major threat, but that's another story.
I have never seen a fox killed by the hunt but I have seen my own dogs catch and kill a rabbit. It is certainly not pretty, but it is quick. I have been in a few nasty car accidents and don't believe in such moments of trauma there is much time to experience pain. The most efficient fox control I ever saw was a friend's robbery pack of a couple of lurchers and two or three terriers. Another friend with all the latest gadgetry, including thermal imaging and electronic calls, has failed to do in three days what that pack achieved in an hour! We can plainly see the fox in the thermal 'scope, but not get him. In the same time, foxy has taken at least four expensive rare breed hens. How killing a fox with hounds can be likened to being a paedophile or drug dealer I do not know. Must have a very distorted view of the world.
I was at vet college but dropped out when I realised it was not for me. I have never regretted the decision. Some students/vets are just plain nasty. I lent one fellow student money, never got it back, and watched him closely thereafter. "You really don't like animals, do you?", I asked him. "No". he agreed, "but then I won't have much to do with them as I am going into government service on the administrative side". Another I watched in surgery said of a little old lady's dog, "I hope we can keep this one going a bit longer as it is a good money spinner". I know enough to recognise when vets abuse their profession to collect fees -- and I also recognise the good ones, and there are thankfully still a lot of them. The take over of private practices by big business is a major threat, but that's another story.
Pieces_of_Eight
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Once stood and waited with the truck while a very experienced horse vet jabbed a horse from the village, 200yds from the end of the kennels drive, because it what she wanted.
He ended up going back to the car for another bottle of juice because it wouldn't go down.
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- Scottish Highlands
Similar here. Never again.
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- Cumbria
The pictures were made covertly. They entered in the dark of night, and installed hidden camera's.
Why ??
No one 'likes' killing anything, however living with, and rearing new life gives a much wider understanding, ability and knowledge to deal with death.
Seeing dogs shot at the end of their days is distressing to anyone who lacks that knowledge and understanding.
Just like those who planted the cameras. !
Why ??
No one 'likes' killing anything, however living with, and rearing new life gives a much wider understanding, ability and knowledge to deal with death.
Seeing dogs shot at the end of their days is distressing to anyone who lacks that knowledge and understanding.
Just like those who planted the cameras. !
Steel
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- Finley, Riverina, Australia
Years a ago I went out with a vet. She said she refuses to put horses down with an injection as she thought it was cruel to the horse. Firstly it took a lot, then the horse tries to keep its feet before toppiling over, which in itself is very dangerous for anyone close by who the horse could hit as it falls.
Shooting is the humane option.
I also went to ag college with someone who became an RSPCA inspector. When he worked near a big city he told me he mostly just shot horses. Most other inspectors were from the city and joined the RSPCA to help animals, and could not shoot horses. As a bloke who grew up on a farm he was not bothered by it, so all horse shooting jobs were referred to him. Even the RSPCA did not kill horses with injections.
betweenthelines
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- southwest
Yeah, many tears were shed over the ending of cock fights and bull baiting, I believe
CopperBeech
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- A Welsh man lost in England
Interestingly ended due to the public disorder associated, rather than animal welfare as such IIRC. Compare to hare coursing banned on welfare grounds where coursing under rules in daylight has ceased and the public disorder element has remained
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- LINCOLNSHIRE/KENYA
My wife is a vet and she won’t ever put down a healthy animal. We have gained a few dogs over the years from people who decided that their dog didn’t suit their lifestyle or were leaving the country. I’ve helped her put down plenty of dogs and there’s nothing to it but she’s very good as for putting horses down by injection that should be a criminal offence however she’s had plenty shot. The most important thing is to make sure the animal doesn’t think anything out of the ordinary is happening.
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If something went wrong during the PTS (and it can with free bullets as well as injectables) I'm not sure the RCVS would support a vet in this country who had done anything other than sewn a catheter in place and used an injectable drug like Somulose for horses absolutely to the letter of the label
toquark
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Why not just stay with your fluffy unicorns, rainbows and safe spaces.
Meanwhile back in the real world… animals live and die. And we are all complicit.
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- Cumbria
We had a pony put down by injection by our local vet years ago, and it was far from a criminal offence. She was given a sedative, which bought her off her legs to sitting position. She was then given a massive overdose of anesthetic (or similar) which caused he death instantly.
No trauma, no issues, instant death.
At 35 years old, a painless dignified end.
It was one hell of hole to bury her.
