ScotEID

sheepwise

Member
Location
SW Scotland
What are others in Scotland thinking about the new ScotEID cattle movement set up. Been on it today registering calves. Maybe just needing time to get used to it , but first impressions are that it is a very poor substitute for the BCMS system. There doesn't seem to be any way of checking an individual animal's movement or calving history for a start. Also in the herd register, it doesn't seem possible to display animals according to sex, age ,breed, movement date, etc.
 

Speedstar

Member
Location
Scottish Borders
What are others in Scotland thinking about the new ScotEID cattle movement set up. Been on it today registering calves. Maybe just needing time to get used to it , but first impressions are that it is a very poor substitute for the BCMS system. There doesn't seem to be any way of checking an individual animal's movement or calving history for a start. Also in the herd register, it doesn't seem possible to display animals according to sex, age ,breed, movement date, etc.
i used it last weekend & found it all Ok, If you need to you can still check things on the BCMS system
 

ladycrofter

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Highland
Oh the joy I felt when seeing this thread. What a shambles, but then, par for the course for this government. After several phone calls I was told " you would be better to rely on your paper records they seem to be more accurate". Can't imagine hearing that hearing that from the good old BCMS!

So. Chapter 1: Needed to print a few year- end stocking lists. No can do. Operator checked with supervisor. Defo no can do. Then discovered no "Historic Movements" despite cattle being here generations. Operator- did you check Historic Movements? Me- I'm not sure you are really getting what I'm saying. It's blank.

Chapter 2: The Death List. Me - No deaths for 2018, but can see 2017 and 2019. Op - maybe no cattle died. Me - I have in front of me a kill sheet from an abattoir for 2018. 7 killed. And when I do BVD tag check for each beast, it shows the kill date. But doesnt show them on the Death List.
Operator's - hmmm I see. I would just rely on your paper records.

We. Are. Doomed.
 

hoff135

Member
Location
scotland
Got a letter today to say my bvd status has been changed to "not negative" despite a clear test a few weeks ago and all the paperwork from the sruc showing negative which they sent through to scoteid. Likely spend ages on the phone trying to to sort it out
 

sheepwise

Member
Location
SW Scotland
Oh the joy I felt when seeing this thread. What a shambles, but then, par for the course for this government. After several phone calls I was told " you would be better to rely on your paper records they seem to be more accurate". Can't imagine hearing that hearing that from the good old BCMS!

So. Chapter 1: Needed to print a few year- end stocking lists. No can do. Operator checked with supervisor. Defo no can do. Then discovered no "Historic Movements" despite cattle being here generations. Operator- did you check Historic Movements? Me- I'm not sure you are really getting what I'm saying. It's blank.

Chapter 2: The Death List. Me - No deaths for 2018, but can see 2017 and 2019. Op - maybe no cattle died. Me - I have in front of me a kill sheet from an abattoir for 2018. 7 killed. And when I do BVD tag check for each beast, it shows the kill date. But doesnt show them on the Death List.
Operator's - hmmm I see. I would just rely on your paper records.

We. Are. Doomed.
The death list is only for animals which died on farm. Animals sent to slaughter will be shown in off movements. That was same for BCMS. I agree with you in that it is lack of ‘tools’ which is disappointing compared to BCMS.
 

pat kcotnit

Member
Location
Oot and aboot
The death list is only for animals which died on farm. Animals sent to slaughter will be shown in off movements. That was same for BCMS. I agree with you in that it is lack of ‘tools’ which is disappointing compared to BCMS.
When we were looking at the death list, that was what we thought it would be but it lists some cattle that definitely went to slaughter and not died on farm. From what has been said above I think I had better look a bit more closely at the information listed. 🤔
 

ladycrofter

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Highland
The death list is only for animals which died on farm. Animals sent to slaughter will be shown in off movements. That was same for BCMS. I agree with you in that it is lack of ‘tools’ which is disappointing compared to BCMS.
In that case NOTHING has ever been sent to the abattoir . . . according to ScotEID. Never mind multiple kill sheets here.
I phoned CTS to see if they still have Scottish data on their system. Of course they do, why delete it? But was told - they're not allowed to speak to us any more.
 

andyt87

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Glamorgan
Not ScotEID, but I don't know whether it's linked to the changes at BCMS or not. I sometimes follow up stores off movements just to see when certain ones go to slaughter etc and that hasn't been working. Didn't work in the month up to Oct 1, then worked for 1 day and now back to only being able to check 1 and then the system not being available.

If they're getting rid of it fine, but this looks like a glitch
 

ladycrofter

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Highland
@ladycrofter please be reminded it's not the staff at scoteid that are the problem. I have always known them to be incredibly efficient and helpful.
Absolutely agree. They are at the sharp end of another scotgov cock-up. It is beyond me how they can't seem to give IT contracts to someone competent. There's not much more to CTS than a huge spreadsheet and bit of programming. But . . . if you aren't competent at importing data (and less face it, it's not that difficult), then you get . . . ScotEID Cattle.
Oh well, no doubt they will sort it about the same time they start paying our subsidy on time.
 

Chae1

Member
Location
Aberdeenshire
Slaughterhouses and markets changed to scoteid several months ago. So that's perhaps why they aren't on as slaughtered on BCMS.

Scoteid inherited problems and mistakes from BCMS also. So a error BCMS made a few months ago has to be sorted out by scoteid.

BCMS still operating as normal, logged in and downloaded all animals for PCHS yesterday.

Don't think labelling anyone as clowns will help matters. It is what is and going to have to make best of it.
 

sheepwise

Member
Location
SW Scotland
Slaughterhouses and markets changed to scoteid several months ago. So that's perhaps why they aren't on as slaughtered on BCMS.

Scoteid inherited problems and mistakes from BCMS also. So a error BCMS made a few months ago has to be sorted out by scoteid.

BCMS still operating as normal, logged in and downloaded all animals for PCHS yesterday.

Don't think labelling anyone as clowns will help matters. It is what is and going to have to make best of it.
BCMS not updating any records done through Scoteid now.
 

Speedstar

Member
Location
Scottish Borders
What are others in Scotland thinking about the new ScotEID cattle movement set up. Been on it today registering calves. Maybe just needing time to get used to it , but first impressions are that it is a very poor substitute for the BCMS system. There doesn't seem to be any way of checking an individual animal's movement or calving history for a start. Also in the herd register, it doesn't seem possible to display animals according to sex, age ,breed, movement date, etc.
Website has been up dated & all the info is on it now
 

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