Horsch joker alternative.

stevedave

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What are the option out there for a machine like a horsch joker with a tg bar. Plenty of manufactures do a short disc and plenty do something like a sumo but very few do a short disc with a set of ripper type legs rather than a sub-soiler.
 

PSQ

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Arable Farmer
The TG bar legs are too far apart to do an effective job in a single pass, which is surely the whole point of min till.

The more effective single pass machine is the Horsch Terrano FX on 40mm full tungsten points (the cheaper tungsten tip don’t last), which has has twice as many legs/ metre, and the following discs are only needed for levelling as the the legs shatter and aerate the profile. Power requirement is around 70hp+/metre on heavy ground to 11”/ 27cm depth. More power/m for trailed versions, as you won’t have the weight transfer through the tractor for traction.
 

snarling bee

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Arable Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
Min till is surely not moving all the ground to 11". Neither is it heavy ground if by moving it to 11" you require only 70hp/m. What %age clay are you talking about?
 

stevedave

Member
We are light ground here and quite a lot of stones so more tines just bring up stones. We are happy with the job it does and we can drop off the tg bar if needed. We have short wheelbase Claas so that is why we don't want a sumo trio type machine. The TG bar works well just to crack up the surface and leave the discs do there job.
 

mf7480

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Mixed Farmer
What are the option out there for a machine like a horsch joker with a tg bar. Plenty of manufactures do a short disc and plenty do something like a sumo but very few do a short disc with a set of ripper type legs rather than a sub-soiler.

Whats wrong with a joker with tg bar?
 

D14

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What are the option out there for a machine like a horsch joker with a tg bar. Plenty of manufactures do a short disc and plenty do something like a sumo but very few do a short disc with a set of ripper type legs rather than a sub-soiler.

Buy a used Sumo trio as you can find them now for under £10,000 and then retro fit some shallower legs.
 

Flatlander

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lorette Manitoba
get an old cultivator out of the bushes and put a front linkage on. Turn the legs around and it will balance the tractor out a bit. I use a horsch joker and find the knotched disc ride in damp straw. Changed to a bread knife looking design and it will sink to the hubs with ease and move all the soil at 2-3 inches when set that depth. I find if I run below 8 mph it doesn’t do as good of a job either. Wouldn’t like to pull a deep leg in stony ground at 8 plus mph.
 

Farma Parma

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Arable Farmer
Location
Northumberlandia
The TG bar legs are too far apart to do an effective job in a single pass, which is surely the whole point of min till.

The more effective single pass machine is the Horsch Terrano FX on 40mm full tungsten points (the cheaper tungsten tip don’t last), which has has twice as many legs/ metre, and the following discs are only needed for levelling as the the legs shatter and aerate the profile. Power requirement is around 70hp+/metre on heavy ground to 11”/ 27cm depth. More power/m for trailed versions, as you won’t have the weight transfer through the tractor for traction.
I'll second how good that Horsch Terrano Cultivator is & its way ahead of any TG bar or Equ Simba ST-Bar+Xpress 3m size that is.
i run the full width tungsten tips & wings now & it cant half cover some amount of acres before needing any parts.
running 7-8" deep here is plenty esp on the heavier land.
No reason to go any deeper otherwise you need a subby & its deffo not one of them
Straight in behind with a PH/Disc Combi drill here on all types of land.
OSR its perfect & 1st & 2nd wheats
twice as fast as ploughing & rarely needs anything doing to the land before the combi
 

stevedave

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We already have a joker and tg bar and are happy with it but the discs are now worn and the bearings are starting to go so we are looking at changing it or refurbishment. You cant get a x-press any more we used to have one it was a very good machine but KV dont do them anymore.
 

Flatlander

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lorette Manitoba
We already have a joker and tg bar and are happy with it but the discs are now worn and the bearings are starting to go so we are looking at changing it or refurbishment. You cant get a x-press any more we used to have one it was a very good machine but KV dont do them anymore.
The bearings hubs can be rebuilt for a fraction of the cost of new. New style are cheaper than old. I found the old style bearings had too much space between the balls and didn’t last. None that I have rebuilt have failed. New bearings have two extra balls. The discs I changed to gaber stickleback. Self sharpening and cut very good. My 37 ft unit has over 5000 acres on it with theses disc and are worn only a quarter inch in diameter.
 

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Farma Parma

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Arable Farmer
Location
Northumberlandia
that Horsch Terrano has no grease points
the light DD packer runs on sealed bearings.
8yr in & apart from points & wings its a cheap to run machine.
Anything Disc related afaik has too be much wider to make any impression on land imho.
3m tines is a diff story tho.
That was the 3m Xpress downfall it wasnt heavy enuff to make any real impression on land here.
the 5 legs on the ST-Bar did a job but never moved enough soil i always thought.
 

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