Red Tractor liars

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
I was rather interested to see the ITN news last night reporting on Soya from Brazilian destroyed rainforest being mixed with legit Soya by the likes of Cargill, the owners of Frontier, to feed U.K. Dairy cattle, to make milk for many well known brands such Cadburys and Cathedral City cheese.

What interested me is that isn’t this is akin to exactly what is happened to all foreign non assured grain, suddenly becoming RT assured?
When are ITN going to report on this?

can you recall the name of the reporter ? Environmental food fraud is a good angle
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
I have Tesco top management here on the 29th to talk regen ag and carbon …….. would love to be able to discuss this with them on that day 😀
While your all discussing fraud.
Regen agriculture now that another fraud.

No standards
No legal definition
Buzz word like vegan, sustainable

Don't forget to tell them about how you had massively damaged the environment for the past x number of years using a degenerative farming system

Perhaps you could point them in the direction of someone who has been always farming with nature rather than against it rather than jumping on the band wagon.
 
While your all discussing fraud.
Regen agriculture now that another fraud.

No standards
No legal definition
Buzz word like vegan, sustainable

Don't forget to tell them about how you had massively damaged the environment for the past x number of years using a degenerative farming system

Perhaps you could point them in the direction of someone who has been always farming with nature rather than against it rather than jumping on the band wagon.
Regen ag isn't claiming to be a brand. No farming is with nature esp not organic!
 

Drillman

Member
Mixed Farmer
While your all discussing fraud.
Regen agriculture now that another fraud.

No standards
No legal definition
Buzz word like vegan, sustainable

Don't forget to tell them about how you had massively damaged the environment for the past x number of years using a degenerative farming system

Perhaps you could point them in the direction of someone who has been always farming with nature rather than against it rather than jumping on the band wagon.
Your clutch at straws there!

When was the last time you saw a UK farmer busy levelling a rainforest so he could drill more soya?
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Regen ag isn't claiming to be a brand. No farming is with nature esp not organic!
So what's the point in the supermarkets etc even looking at it. It only means your trying to reduce your effect on the environment. Too little too late.
Should have been done decade ago but you have been sucked in by the agro chemical industry.

I made no mention of organic.
Your clutch at straws there!

When was the last time you saw a UK farmer busy levelling a rainforest so he could drill more soya?
Not at all regen is clutching at straw. So if I plant a herbal ley am i regen farmer?
If I don't plough am I a regen farmer?
If I Don't trim my hedges every year am I a regen farmer?

Perhaps Mr Tesco et al should be looking at those who didn't get swayed by the glossy adverts in the farming press for chemicals or striving for the highest yields utilising the finite resources that the planet has rather than those that are late to the table and reinventing the wheel.

By using even the byproducts of soya you are still supporting the destruction of rainforest.
 

Drillman

Member
Mixed Farmer
So what's the point in the supermarkets etc even looking at it. It only means your trying to reduce your effect on the environment. Too little too late.
Should have been done decade ago but you have been sucked in by the agro chemical industry.

I made no mention of organic.

Not at all regen is clutching at straw. So if I plant a herbal ley am i regen farmer?
If I don't plough am I a regen farmer?
If I Don't trim my hedges every year am I a regen farmer?

Perhaps Mr Tesco et al should be looking at those who didn't get swayed by the glossy adverts in the farming press for chemicals or striving for the highest yields utilising the finite resources that the planet has rather than those that are late to the table and reinventing the wheel.

By using even the byproducts of soya you are still supporting the destruction of rainforest.
Look this is quite simple really, the British farmer isn’t the villain here. The issue lies totally with that was supposed to be a good idea but has now turned into a money making scam at our expense.

I would love to have my 20 years membership of the cartel refunded as I could think of many better uses for it. Many of them to enhance my tenanted farm for the benefit of the environment
 

Two Tone

Member
Mixed Farmer
can you recall the name of the reporter ? Environmental food fraud is a good angle

Go for it @Clive !
It is an incredible irony and similarity when you think about it.
Possibly a good way of highlighting what an absolute con RT is, by forcing UK farmers to pay for something to achieve a sale price comparable to world prices. When so much of it actually includes foreign food produced to no assurance standard whatsoever!

Isn’t this yet another HUGE Red Tractor lie?
 
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Humble Village Farmer

Member
BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
While your all discussing fraud.
Regen agriculture now that another fraud.

No standards
No legal definition
Buzz word like vegan, sustainable

Don't forget to tell them about how you had massively damaged the environment for the past x number of years using a degenerative farming system

Perhaps you could point them in the direction of someone who has been always farming with nature rather than against it rather than jumping on the band wagon.
How is regen ag a fraud?
 
So what's the point in the supermarkets etc even looking at it. It only means your trying to reduce your effect on the environment. Too little too late.
Should have been done decade ago but you have been sucked in by the agro chemical industry.

I made no mention of organic.

Not at all regen is clutching at straw. So if I plant a herbal ley am i regen farmer?
If I don't plough am I a regen farmer?
If I Don't trim my hedges every year am I a regen farmer?

Perhaps Mr Tesco et al should be looking at those who didn't get swayed by the glossy adverts in the farming press for chemicals or striving for the highest yields utilising the finite resources that the planet has rather than those that are late to the table and reinventing the wheel.

By using even the byproducts of soya you are still supporting the destruction of rainforest.


Because they want to greenwash and sell a story. But Regen ag is deliberately a loose concept - its not a "standard". Its a concept not an absolute. I'm not even a fan of the term but I can understand what it is trying to lead farmers towards

I think your being daft here - you should join us in smashing up a cartel not doing your fellow farmers down
 

Drillman

Member
Mixed Farmer
Because it means nothing.

It's like pasture for life, until they are housed.

Or free range until they are housed.

At least those two have a set of standards of a description
So from the above I see you now agree that red tractor is also a fraud!
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Because they want to greenwash and sell a story. But Regen ag is deliberately a loose concept - its not a "standard". Its a concept not an absolute. I'm not even a fan of the term but I can understand what it is trying to lead farmers towards

I think your being daft here - you should join us in smashing up a cartel not doing your fellow farmers down
It is completely loose and means absolutely nothing at all. Again confusing the consumer.
 

Spear

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North Devon
While your all discussing fraud.
Regen agriculture now that another fraud.

No standards
No legal definition
Buzz word like vegan, sustainable

Don't forget to tell them about how you had massively damaged the environment for the past x number of years using a degenerative farming system

Perhaps you could point them in the direction of someone who has been always farming with nature rather than against it rather than jumping on the band wagon.
Why does everyone need to keep attacking everyone else.
Sid I hope you’re not alluding to there as people in glasshouses etc etc
 

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