Extase potential problems

robbie · Oct 16, 2021

Kws does seem to throw a lot of varieties at the market and rather than do years of trials they let us the grower find out if they are any good. Some are good and work but others are shite and disappear after a year. All at the growers risk and cost.

teslacoils · Oct 16, 2021

The RL really should be better at filtering the "scattergun" of new varieties - some with very tenuous reasons to be included.

I see this year's gp3 list has *five* new additions, all within a percent of each other for yield and disease. Same heights, and the same "lateness creep". It must be lgs turn to buy the pints with four new gp3s, and as far as I can see *zero* reasons to change from elicit or barral.

A gp4 seems to have been added with a five percent yeild reduction compared to best in class. Madness.

bankrupt · Oct 16, 2021

robbie said:
All at the growers risk and cost.

Can't really blame breeders gaming the royalty system as it's currently set up with the AHDB as gatekeeper.

High time for the RL lists to take on many more averagely challenging and tricky trial sites.

texelburger · Oct 16, 2021

No Extase for us,don't want the risk.Trying 7 acres of Typhoon,8 for Septoria like Extase.

bobk · Oct 16, 2021

I got Insistor as my new try , sounds a bit incestuous to me , but hey ho it in the ground and looks half decent

texelburger · Oct 16, 2021

bobk said:
I got Insistor as my new try , sounds a bit incestuous to me , but hey ho it in the ground and looks half decent

Did very well for us.

robs1 · Oct 16, 2021

bobk said:
I got Insistor as my new try , sounds a bit incestuous to me , but hey ho it in the ground and looks half decent

Meant to be a strong rooter so thought it might do well in dd, tgw was 39 and looked a poor sample but it's all come up.

teslacoils · Oct 16, 2021

I'm planting gleam. Again.

bobk · Oct 16, 2021

teslacoils said:
I'm planting gleam. Again.

I dropped it

farenheit · Oct 16, 2021

bobk said:
I got Insistor as my new try , sounds a bit incestuous to me , but hey ho it in the ground and looks half decent

It’s called insitor so I suspect it’s all in your head!

Wombat · Oct 16, 2021

teslacoils said:
The RL really should be better at filtering the "scattergun" of new varieties - some with very tenuous reasons to be included.

I see this year's gp3 list has *five* new additions, all within a percent of each other for yield and disease. Same heights, and the same "lateness creep". It must be lgs turn to buy the pints with four new gp3s, and as far as I can see *zero* reasons to change from elicit or barral.

A gp4 seems to have been added with a five percent yeild reduction compared to best in class. Madness.

Between that and funding red tractor our levy always seems good value doesn’t it?

Gong Farmer · Oct 17, 2021

Inclusion on the RL seems to be based on 'give me a good reason not to include it'.

Renaultman · Oct 17, 2021

Fromebridge said:
Inclusion on the RL seems to be based on 'give me a good reason not to include it'.

Then perfectly good varieties get taken off and breeders stop growing it. The cynic in me worries if it's because these are coming to the end of their high royalties period

bankrupt · Oct 17, 2021

farenheit said:
It’s called insitor so I suspect it’s all in your head!

As is KWS Cranium.

According to Wiki, SY Insitor is named for a minor God actually doing all the planting for Ceres, which would have been an absolute nightmare these last three years.

Question is whether its 39g tgw this time was actually due to lodging, for which it is well known, or to some obscure KWS-like disease problem to which we shall never be given the answer.

Ceres (mythology) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

teslacoils · Oct 17, 2021

bankrupt said:
As is KWS Cranium.

According to Wiki, Insitor is named for a minor God actually doing all the planting for Ceres, which must have been an absolute nightmare the last three years.

Question is whether its 39g tgw was actually due to lodging, for which it is well known, or to some obscure KWS-type disease problem to which we shall not be allowed the answer.

Septoria kws-um?

bankrupt · Jan 28, 2022

teslacoils said:
Septoria kws-um?

Just looking through the 2022/23 RL and the septoria tritici rating for Extase seems to have been slightly reduced but not much more than that for Graham or Insitor.

Absolutely no mention of septoria nodorum, which now doesn't even merit its own line in the tables, despite the fact that it's been by far the biggest disease problem in Extase the last two years.

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