Wheat into orbit
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4course
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- Location
- north yorks
we buy a new to us plough every couple of years out of york sale 4plus 1dowds under a grand spread over 500 acre aint a lot oh forgot to add on the box of welding rods
- Location
- Worcestershire
Heading Should have been osr into orbit
4course
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- Location
- north yorks
crop of the year here, and still earning due to buying paris futures when selling our as harvested ,never before have we had a combinable at the £/acre this years osr is doing
Is there a thread about carbon trading on here?
- Location
- Northumberlandia
Wish id bought an extra load the year before & saved £83 every ton
Life is so easy with a crystal ball eh...
Ive no idea how these fert folks think farmers are swallowing this mind.
How will the job be late may/june 2022 who knows ?
yes several in the last year alone
- Location
- Lorette Manitoba
Oats here have gone from just over 3$ a bushel last september to 8.05$ fir Jan delivery Any decently heavy sample will get a premium too as they can blend to up the lighter oats and fill orders to buyers spec. At that price one crop will nearly be the same as I paid for the land itself twenty years ago.
That’s not how to cost it out. That it costs you to plough in your current overhead system. It’s not the cost of a single operation, it’s about restructuring a business to be zero till. A 2000 acre zero till farm needs a lot less machinery and men than the same area plough and power Harrow. Probably in the realm of £100/150/ha lower overheads. Then add in stuff like future sfi payments and carbon selling your getting in the realms of £300-400/ha net gain and then their is the harder to quantify longer term stuff in zero till/regen system of reduced inputs.
Clive if I remember correctly you have sold a few loads of physical grain for October 21 at £190t?
Fat hen
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How much N do you use to get 4.8t/ac?
- Location
- Lincolnshire
As a 4th cereal after chopped oat straw I used:
200kg urea so 92N
45 cube digestate supplying 137kg available N
150kg urea so 69N
298kg per hectare. 11.9t/ha at 12.5 percent protein.
Wheat as a first cereal after grass did about the same yield but at 11.8 protein from 225kg/ha bagged nitrogen.
Spencer
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- Location
- North West
So LOTS then..
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Lots in, lots out. I'm sure I'd use less on grade 1 silt after veg. Wet January didn't help - dry January would have meant happier roots and probably 50kg less urea. Chopped oat straw never helps - that's probably another 50kg of urea to cover the lock up and general sadness of the crop as it grows through it.
But over the rotation, silage grass is still the highest use of nitrogen. And in a three cereals in seven, including stewardship fallow and clover stuff I don't think my total nitrogen per tons of wheat is high at all.
Fat hen
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Wow thats more than I expected. You put a lot on to account for the N lock-up...Maybe I should be putting more on.
Usually I put on 180kgN, and get 12.5% sold as low grade or full spec, 7.5-10 t/ha
This yr it was 170kgN, got 11.5% sold as feed. 8-10t/ha
Crusoe.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
There are lots of variables and I will feed a good crop.
1) soil type here is deep, cold clay. It's likely to be "drains running" and cold well into April.
2) fert type is urea. Given the above it's unlikely to get rapidly into the crop.
3) break crop is only grass. No osr, beans etc. So there are often long runs of cereals depending on the grass Vs wheat economics. And extra year of grass may result in less herbicide cost and greater yield for less nitrogen. I'd happily aim for 10t/ha from 200kgn after osr. But I can't grow osr now, so it's moot.
4) straw. I chopped in 2.6t/AC of wheat straw - clearly some nitrogen went into that for crop output. But it's not going to recycle itself based on point one. It's mixed into the top 2" of soil. I'd say a normal crop of straw wants 30kgn to break it down. A big crop or oats wants 50. If it were allowed I'd spray that on as liquid with mollases onto the chopped straw. I just ploughed up a grass ley I planted in 2012 and the quantity of chopped straw that has barely begun to break down was large.
I think the thing for me about your post was the 7.5 to 10 range. For me, 3t/AC won't pay the bills and but the kids shoes. I've 260ac, a big rental equivalent, and no additional income. What I'm after is shifting that range and reducing the variability. I don't really want protein. What I'm after is a repeatable 11t/ha base. Would I like that at one percent less protein and 50kg less nitrogen? Yup. Can I repeatably do that? No, I'd risk ending up with lower yield. Also, don't underestimate the value of fresh potash in spring.
So over say three wheats and a crop of spring oats I'm looking at say 200,300,300,140kg of fert to produce say 40t of grain? Out of that only half is fert out of a bag.
I looked at the yield meter on the fert and spray overlaps and thought "hey, let's do this to the whole field".
It does sound awful, but here are some more awful things:
Any crop where you think fert prices are high so you buy new expensive seed and end up with cruddy yields / problematic harvests so golden linseed, lupins, spring beans. Done those.
Dry peas for combining.
Looking at a decent crop of winter barley absolutely hit the buffers in a cold February, turn lemon yellow, refuse to tiller and produce 2t/ac.
I grew 13.77t/ha or Crusoe at 13 percent from 300kgn. 2014 maybe. First wheat after osr.
The rb209 guides are pretty solid - 25kg for a ton of feed. 30kg for a ton of 13 percent milling. From that you'll use less on better ground as it's more efficient; less after a break crop; less (my opinion) if you plough. Heavy grade 3 clay, min till, chopped straw, 4th cereal needs more than silty loam ploughed after peas.
1) soil type here is deep, cold clay. It's likely to be "drains running" and cold well into April.
2) fert type is urea. Given the above it's unlikely to get rapidly into the crop.
3) break crop is only grass. No osr, beans etc. So there are often long runs of cereals depending on the grass Vs wheat economics. And extra year of grass may result in less herbicide cost and greater yield for less nitrogen. I'd happily aim for 10t/ha from 200kgn after osr. But I can't grow osr now, so it's moot.
4) straw. I chopped in 2.6t/AC of wheat straw - clearly some nitrogen went into that for crop output. But it's not going to recycle itself based on point one. It's mixed into the top 2" of soil. I'd say a normal crop of straw wants 30kgn to break it down. A big crop or oats wants 50. If it were allowed I'd spray that on as liquid with mollases onto the chopped straw. I just ploughed up a grass ley I planted in 2012 and the quantity of chopped straw that has barely begun to break down was large.
I think the thing for me about your post was the 7.5 to 10 range. For me, 3t/AC won't pay the bills and but the kids shoes. I've 260ac, a big rental equivalent, and no additional income. What I'm after is shifting that range and reducing the variability. I don't really want protein. What I'm after is a repeatable 11t/ha base. Would I like that at one percent less protein and 50kg less nitrogen? Yup. Can I repeatably do that? No, I'd risk ending up with lower yield. Also, don't underestimate the value of fresh potash in spring.
So over say three wheats and a crop of spring oats I'm looking at say 200,300,300,140kg of fert to produce say 40t of grain? Out of that only half is fert out of a bag.
I looked at the yield meter on the fert and spray overlaps and thought "hey, let's do this to the whole field".
It does sound awful, but here are some more awful things:
Any crop where you think fert prices are high so you buy new expensive seed and end up with cruddy yields / problematic harvests so golden linseed, lupins, spring beans. Done those.
Dry peas for combining.
Looking at a decent crop of winter barley absolutely hit the buffers in a cold February, turn lemon yellow, refuse to tiller and produce 2t/ac.
I grew 13.77t/ha or Crusoe at 13 percent from 300kgn. 2014 maybe. First wheat after osr.
The rb209 guides are pretty solid - 25kg for a ton of feed. 30kg for a ton of 13 percent milling. From that you'll use less on better ground as it's more efficient; less after a break crop; less (my opinion) if you plough. Heavy grade 3 clay, min till, chopped straw, 4th cereal needs more than silty loam ploughed after peas.
4course
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- Location
- north yorks
usa now starting to talk next years crop yields down due to the impact of high fert prices causing a reduction in use , wonder what mr putins views are regarding his own farmers usage and his availability of gas to make it
- Location
- Lorette Manitoba
Every one I’ve talked to here is crying about fertilizer prices and waiting to see if it drops,all while saying they are going to use less because it’s not economic to apply. All while stood next to a new pickup. I’ll keep the same fertility program even with high prices. Yes it’s a bitter pill to swallow but grain prices are high to buffer that. No reason to miss out on a good crop next year fir a few bucks. Forward prices are historically good even if not at today’s levels but if everyone cuts back on inputs you can bet it’s not going to be a record breaking crop.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
There's a few UK farmers cutting back by ten percent, and theres Brazil not getting any imported urea. Bit of a difference.....
- Location
- Lorette Manitoba
Heard that too about brazil so figure maize won’t be the crop of choice. Soybeans will be plentiful. Ten percent won’t make or break a crop but the situation here is some further west DONT have the money to buy inputs. After three dry years they are tapped out and looking at legumes to get them a crop to sell.