Steel frame spec for house

B R C

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Arable Farmer

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South Beds with a bit of Herts and Bucks

• Oct 19, 2021

• #1

I have planning for 80’ x 40’ steel frame Storage shed. Happens to be located where it would be a great place to have a house in a few(10) years time. It may never happen but if it does would be useful if there are any features that could be included in the build in the first instance that would be useful for its potential second use. Any recommendations? Simple things really as it’s not worth spending a lot more at this stage.

 

Nearly

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North of York

• Oct 19, 2021

• #2

@Forever Fendt
Go for thicker steel option?

 

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chaffcutter

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S. Staffs

• Oct 19, 2021

• #3

If it’s a storage shed, why not put a mezzanine floor in part of it, for storage of parts etc but useful upstairs conversion in future?
Also incorporate some clear sheeting on the sidewalls where a window ‘might’ be useful?

 

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Water Wheel

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• Oct 19, 2021

• #4

Stronger foundation pads for steel ?
Get the height right.

 

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Doing it for the kids

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• Oct 19, 2021

• #5

What floor?

can never have enough ducts, especially 4 inch ones....

 

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TMPUK

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Trade

• Oct 19, 2021

• #6

Water Wheel said:

Stronger foundation pads for steel ?
Get the height right.

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Or put it on helical piles !

 

S J H

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Livestock Farmer

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Bedfordshire

• Oct 19, 2021

• #7

Make sure it's got a good pitch @B R C

 

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TMPUK

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Trade

• Oct 19, 2021

• #8

Your are right... the most critical would be the right depth !

 

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Lakesdigger

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• Oct 19, 2021

• #9

Tbh if you're not wanting to add cost now it's probably not worth even bothering about unless you think any sort of planning at a later date would require keeping the existing building and not a new build. If you think you'd be keeping and adding to the building your putting up then it depends what spec you are building to begin with.

 

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Skintagain

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Perched on the Pennines

• Oct 19, 2021

• #10

Lakesdigger said:

Tbh if you're not wanting to add cost now it's probably not worth even bothering about unless you think any sort of planning at a later date would require keeping the existing building and not a new build. If you think you'd be keeping and adding to the building your putting up then it depends what spec you are building to begin with.

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Class q would

 

B R C

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Arable Farmer

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South Beds with a bit of Herts and Bucks

• Oct 20, 2021

• #11

Lakesdigger said:

Tbh if you're not wanting to add cost now it's probably not worth even bothering about unless you think any sort of planning at a later date would require keeping the existing building and not a new build. If you think you'd be keeping and adding to the building your putting up then it depends what spec you are building to begin with.

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Er, that was the question! What spec building etc

It would be a conversion, like this https://www.gilmartins.co.uk/potters-bar-barn-conversion although that is concrete frame rather than steel.

Some clear side sheets might be a good idea.
I’ll look into concrete pad size.
Roof pitch is something I haven’t thought about. Might be better slightly steeper although have planning now so would need to be changed unless I just tweaked it a few degrees.
its 20’ to eaves so plenty of height to get floor levels right in the future.
Thanks for the input

 

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Will0

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• Oct 20, 2021

• #12

Just put up a shed with the same motivation. The only thing I changed was the roof pitch, and it was only a tweak. If it was any steeper they would need more H&S requirements when putting it up and more cost.

 

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HatsOff

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Mixed Farmer

• Oct 20, 2021

• #13

Can only echo what others have said:
- height is critical
- roof pitch is useful
- decent floor slab (level!) is useful
- orientation (south facing kitchen windows) is nice to have right
- drainage and service provision will make things easier

Other than that, everything else can be addressed at the time of conversion. Cladding etc would probably have to come off to get the insulation put in but no point worrying about that now.

 

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Lakesdigger

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• Oct 20, 2021

• #14

B R C said:

Er, that was the question! What spec building etc

It would be a conversion, like this https://www.gilmartins.co.uk/potters-bar-barn-conversion although that is concrete frame rather than steel.

Some clear side sheets might be a good idea.
I’ll look into concrete pad size.
Roof pitch is something I haven’t thought about. Might be better slightly steeper although have planning now so would need to be changed unless I just tweaked it a few degrees.
its 20’ to eaves so plenty of height to get floor levels right in the future.
Thanks for the input

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Is it a very basic ag spec frame being put up to begin with or a more commercial spec as this could have a big bearing on conversion later. A commercial spec building to begin with may structurally ok to convert where an ag spec may effectively need a building built within it.

 

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Skintagain

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Perched on the Pennines

• Oct 20, 2021

• #15

HatsOff said:

Can only echo what others have said:
- height is critical
- roof pitch is useful
- decent floor slab (level!) is useful
- orientation (south facing kitchen windows) is nice to have right
- drainage and service provision will make things easier

Other than that, everything else can be addressed at the time of conversion. Cladding etc would probably have to come off to get the insulation put in but no point worrying about that now.

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What would you go for on those options? Height pitch slab specetc

 

B R C

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Arable Farmer

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South Beds with a bit of Herts and Bucks

• Oct 20, 2021

• #16

Floor slab could be interesting. Decent slab that could have insulation and screed on top. But what about internal drainage when you don’t know where it would be going. I suppose you could just cut slab where any would go. There wouldn’t be many in the ground floor any way.

 

B R C

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Arable Farmer

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South Beds with a bit of Herts and Bucks

• Oct 20, 2021

• #17

Will0 said:

Just put up a shed with the same motivation. The only thing I changed was the roof pitch, and it was only a tweak. If it was any steeper they would need more H&S requirements when putting it up and more cost.

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Was the steel spec industrial or ag? Doubt it would cost a great deal to up it.

 

B R C

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South Beds with a bit of Herts and Bucks

• Oct 20, 2021

• #18

Am I right in thinking its Use for the 10 years must be agricultural so better not rent any of it out?

 

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Doing it for the kids

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• Oct 20, 2021

• #19

B R C said:

Floor slab could be interesting. Decent slab that could have insulation and screed on top. But what about internal drainage when you don’t know where it would be going. I suppose you could just cut slab where any would go. There wouldn’t be many in the ground floor any way.

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insulation and screed will give space probably.

 

Highland Mule

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Scottish Highlands

• Oct 20, 2021

• #20

B R C said:

Some clear side sheets might be a good idea.

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I prefer them for an agri building anyway - wouldn’t put roof lights on any new structure I was doing.

What about overhang at the eaves? Fairly sure I’ve read about a few conversions where the rainwater goods were complicated by not having a decent overhang margin to work with.