Where is the NFU etc?

roscoe erf

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‘’When we consider their inflated membership claims in relation to the whole UK industry we see just how unrepresentative the NFU council actually is. There are, in fact, some 212,000 UK holdings. NFU membership is only 26% of these. The truly astounding misrepresentation is that the NFU claim the number of holdings to be the number of farmers. The NFU’s membership is only 19% of the 294,000 registered commercial British farmers and a mere 11% of the recorded 476,000 farming workforce. A far cry from the "more than 70% of farmers".
... What is certain is the NFU is not anywhere close to representing the two thirds of farmers it implies – less than a fifth at best’’
has a simple yes no poll been done on here re membership
 

kfpben

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Mid Hampshire
Holding numbers bear no resemblance to the number of farmers. How many farmers farm across multiple holdings? I am pretty small but I use half a dozen holding numbers. Many of these are one 20 acre grass field, not a whole farm.

‘Farmer’ is pretty much a self defining job title, especially in these days of multiple diversifications.

In my own branch’s area we reckon 90-95% of active farm businesses are NFU members.
 
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egbert

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No noticeable change to measured CO2 during the last 2 years.

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And no noticeable change due to the 2008 global recession.

Man made CO2 emissions are tiny compared to natural emissions and only account for 3% of the yearly increase.

Going Net Zero won't stop measured CO2 from rising.
Play fair @C.J J and post the graph over the last 500 years, or 1000, or 10,000.
CO2 has spiked massively just as we've started burning fossil fuels on an epic scale.
Have 'natural emissions' suddenly spiked too?

We have NO chance of defending ourselves if we hide behind carp like that.
 

C.J

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Play fair @C.J J and post the graph over the last 500 years, or 1000, or 10,000.
CO2 has spiked massively just as we've started burning fossil fuels on an epic scale.
Have 'natural emissions' suddenly spiked too?

We have NO chance of defending ourselves if we hide behind carp like that.
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So here's the graph you really want to see - negligable before 1850 but really takes off after WW2

What have temperatures done since 1850

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The 1690 to 1730 warming happened before any significant fossil fuel use and the 1940 to 1980 cooling happened when fossil fuel use went exponential.

You must remember the cold winters of 1948 and 1963 and by the 1970's they were prediction the coming of the next Ice Age.

1980 - 2000 is the only period where the 2 graphs correlate, but since then its cooled in the 00's,bounced back and is cooling again.

Somewhere you mentioned your study of Dendrology , so you must know the Mann made hockey stick graph is fraudulant....M.M cherry picked his data to "erase" the medieval warm period and the little ice age , so as to make the modern warm period look unprecidented.He also excluded Keith Briffa's data showing a pause in the warming because it didn't fit the "narrative."
 

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
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So here's the graph you really want to see - negligable before 1850 but really takes off after WW2

What have temperatures done since 1850

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The 1690 to 1730 warming happened before any significant fossil fuel use and the 1940 to 1980 cooling happened when fossil fuel use went exponential.

You must remember the cold winters of 1948 and 1963 and by the 1970's they were prediction the coming of the next Ice Age.

1980 - 2000 is the only period where the 2 graphs correlate, but since then its cooled in the 00's,bounced back and is cooling again.

Somewhere you mentioned your study of Dendrology , so you must know the Mann made hockey stick graph is fraudulant....M.M cherry picked his data to "erase" the medieval warm period and the little ice age , so as to make the modern warm period look unprecidented.He also excluded Keith Briffa's data showing a pause in the warming because it didn't fit the "narrative."
CJ, if that temp spike in Canada in June didn't show you something has hugely shifted, nothing will.
It just about matched the highest temps ever recorded in several North African countries, in a region renowned for it's temperate nature.
It certainly shocked me.

The medieval business, and such fluctuations, were barely a degree, and wobbled back. This is very obviously something else.
 
Well one of there own has admitted there is 56,000 members.

That means only 11,200 are farmers using the 4/5 figures.
 

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C.J

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Livestock Farmer
Location
South Devon
CJ, if that temp spike in Canada in June didn't show you something has hugely shifted, nothing will.
It just about matched the highest temps ever recorded in several North African countries, in a region renowned for it's temperate nature.
It certainly shocked me.

The medieval business, and such fluctuations, were barely a degree, and wobbled back. This is very obviously something else.
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The Grand Solar Minimum is causing a Meridonial Jetstream - remember Siberia had an unusually warm spring last year ?




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Yes the climate is changing - we will see more High pressure and less trans-Atlantic lows - more beasts from the east and dry summers. What happens to wind turbines when we have high pressure ? they stop turning.

La Nina will bring severe winters to North America and Asia this winter.

Have you heard Antarctica has had its coldest winter since records began in 1957 and that several North American ski resorts have opened a month early.
 

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
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The Grand Solar Minimum is causing a Meridonial Jetstream - remember Siberia had an unusually warm spring last year ?




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Yes the climate is changing - we will see more High pressure and less trans-Atlantic lows - more beasts from the east and dry summers. What happens to wind turbines when we have high pressure ? they stop turning.

La Nina will bring severe winters to North America and Asia this winter.

Have you heard Antarctica has had its coldest winter since records began in 1957 and that several North American ski resorts have opened a month early.
I know about the heat dome CJ, I'm not sure that it's relevant to the discussion.
If you don't want to accept the numbers, that's up to you.
It's not my job to convince you.
I do have various jobs, and for some of them, trying to deny what science is saying (and has been warning of for all of our lives) would make my voice valueless.
I have to pick my fights carefully, and do so.
 

C.J

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Livestock Farmer
Location
South Devon
I know about the heat dome CJ, I'm not sure that it's relevant to the discussion.
If you don't want to accept the numbers, that's up to you.
It's not my job to convince you.
I do have various jobs, and for some of them, trying to deny what science is saying (and has been warning of for all of our lives) would make my voice valueless.
I have to pick my fights carefully, and do so.


I know about the heat dome CJ, I'm not sure that it's relevant to the discussion.

You need to reread your post # 65 - you thought it was relevant then.

If you don't want to accept the numbers, that's up to you.

Which numbers do you think I don't like ? - I like numbers , I passed my Maths O level at 14, AO level at 15 and my A level at 17.

I do have various jobs, and for some of them, trying to deny what science is saying (and has been warning of for all of our lives) would make my voice valueless.
I have to pick my fights carefully, and do so.


So are you suggesting you have write alarmist bull$hit or the WMN wouldn't print your ramblings ?
 
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