Recycling isn't the answer

Nearly

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Location
North of York
There's an Aussie (Kiwi?) that has build an extruder to make fence posts from waste farm plastics.

One family locally sold out a majority share in their spring water business 3 years ago.
The business model is actually a plastic bottle retailer that happens to sell them full. :(
 

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Bottom line is if the population cannot be trusted to live their lives in a lower impact way then governments have to regulate.

If coke bottles and the product in it have no use then it should be banned.

However that is a government which takes your rights away and decides how you live your life and where does that stop?

It‘s a very difficult subject.

The only thing government can do is restrict packaging by law and bring in costlier alternatives.

This would push up food prices and that is not what government want.

Plastics is a very difficult subject to promote less use as it is now integral to the food supply chain.

Just look at milk.

Plastic is integral to conglomerates controlling, profiting from food supplies. It doesn't have to be that way but there is a lot of money behind ensuring it does.

If you think about it, it is really only the packaging that you are being sold in a capitalist society.
 
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Yale

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Livestock Farmer
True but the plastic use per tonne of feed is much lower and the plastic is much easier to recycle than blown film (if it's clean).

Our clamp concrete is 40 years old. I suspect the smudging have long been covered.

Wrapped silage caught on because it makes management so flexible.
You could say that plastic has become integral to food production as well as packaging.

Would be interesting to compare the quantity of plastic used in production compared to quantity in the final packaging.

As producers of the food we may not like the answer.
 

thesilentone

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
It's a very difficult circle to square as plastic has many positive benefits also.

The NGO's, Aid Companies and Charities would suffer very badly if plastic was banned, so there are circumstances where it is almost indispensable.
 

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Plastic is integral to conglomerates controlling, profiting from food supplies. It doesn't have to be that way but there is a lot of money behind ensuring it does.

If you think about it, it is really only the packaging that you are being sold in a capitalist society.
A couple of Danish pastries in Tesco’s in a plastic carton will be digested in 24 hours. Tge carton could well last 1000 years. It’s nuts when you think about it. What was wrong with brown paper bags. I know what a Danish pastry or a tomato looks like. I don’t need translucent packaging to remind me.
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
A couple of Danish pastries in Tesco’s in a plastic carton will be digested in 24 hours. Tge carton could well last 1000 years. It’s nuts when you think about it. What was wrong with brown paper bags. I know what a Danish pastry or a tomato looks like. I don’t need translucent packaging to remind me.
just going to add, in Denmark, Daish pastries are called Viennese Bread
 

manhill

Member
Nobody in the western world needs to buy bottled water or even ready to drink liquids of any kind. Only allow the sale of concentrates for dilution. Have more taps around for refills of reusable containers. Problem solved.
yeah but that bottle of water that is fashionable to be swigging on as you go about is really a dummy substitute now that that other dummy substitute (fags) has gone out of fashion. If you separate the swigger from his dummy he'll need therapy.
 

br jones

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THE WORLD’S POPULATION CONSUMES 1 MILLION PLASTIC BOTTLES EVERY MINUTE​

The worldwide consumption of plastic is still rising. In 2016, 480 billion plastic bottles were sold while in 2004, this was still 300 billion. Now, one million plastic bottles are sold every minute and the number of bottles sold yearly will increase to 583.3 billion in 2021. These are the findings of research done by Euromonitor, an institute that carries out international market research.
According to the research, the enormous demand for plastic bottles is largely the result of the urbanisation of China. According to Rosemary Downy, head of packaging at Euromonitor, almost one quarter of all plastic bottles are consumed in China. In 2015 alone, almost 68.4 billion plastic bottles of water were sold in China. This number rose to 73.8 billion in 2016.
Less than half of all purchased plastic bottles in 2016 were collected for recycling. Only 7% of these bottles went to make new PET bottles. Most plastic bottles ended up in rubbish dumps or in the environment. It is estimated that every year between 5 and 13 billion kilos of plastic waste ends up in the ocean – the equivalent of one full rubbish collection lorry every minute.
 

serf

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Location
warwickshire
look at the amount of plastic tat been produced and sold for Halloween. I bet over 90% will be in landfill by the end of next week.
Exactly , if they want to cut down on plastic use , start on the carp that no one needs and can live without that keeps coming over on containers from China....... but they don't want to upset the masses that are hooked on tat so pick on lower hanging fruit instead 🙄
 

Daddy Pig

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Location
dorset
Just done a quick calculation for our household of 4. We use on average one four pint carton of milk a day so 91.25 cartons per person per year. Maybe coca cola is not as bad as it first seems.
 

quattro

Member
Location
scotland
Presume everyone has seen how India gets rid of their rubbish just dump it in a fast flowing river and then it’s everybody’s problem
loads of vids on you tube (sorry don’t how put them on here)
 

Exfarmer

Member
Location
Bury St Edmunds
There are some very strong environmental arguments for plastic.
Plastic bags use far less energy to produce than paper bags the paper industry is not environmentally friendly either due to concerns on timber sources and residues from the factories producing the paper entering the rivers and oceans. It uses vast amounts of water too.
Plastic bottles use far less energy than glass bottles all of which helps reduce carbon emmissions.
Recycling plastic often involves more energy than the production of fresh plastic..
However if glass bottles were waashed instead of being remanufactured the energy equation is turned on its head and it is far more efficient to use glass than plastic.
The best thing we could do would be tight legislation all plastic should be recycled to energy. All glass bottles should carry a hefty deposit, sizes should be standardised and where possible should be clear, so they can be reused by any one
Nothing is straight forward, and the agenda is being driven by the people with interests and the biggest advertising budget as ever.
 

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