Tarw Coch
Member
- Location
- Bottom of Wats Dyke
Only until RT concoct a story about the value they deliver to farmers?
Who is going to judge how good a story they tell?
Red Tractor
- Thread starter principal skinner
- Start date
Who is going to judge how good a story they tell?
- Location
- Cirencester
They have to "be seen" to be doing something, that's all this is, have they?? Or is it just words. It seems fairly obvious the three or four organisations are hardly a trustworthy lot.
The irksome thing is that now being non assured some of my levy money still goes to those parasites at RT.
It's tiring when these organisations put in place to benefit the uk producer, NFU, AIC, AHDB etc actually shaft the uk producer. Almost like a bad dream but unfortunately reality.
AHDB has had neigh on two years to do something solid, same with NFU/RT (had longer) and yet their heads are still in the sand.
Well ican’t understand why red tractor don’t do the audits for free and then simply take a percentage cut of whatever value it added to our goods for administering its scheme! While returning the rest to the grower for been a member.
Everyone be happy then.
rt management be happy cos they have a job,
farmers be happy as there getting a return on there outlay
Obviously this does all hinge on the red tractor brand having a value and is where I feel my idea falls spectacularly apart
Everyone be happy then.
rt management be happy cos they have a job,
farmers be happy as there getting a return on there outlay
Obviously this does all hinge on the red tractor brand having a value and is where I feel my idea falls spectacularly apart
Spencer
Member
- Location
- North West
And it all sounded so well, right up to the point where there’s no value..Well ican’t understand why red tractor don’t do the audits for free and then simply take a percentage cut of whatever value it added to our goods for administering its scheme! While returning the rest to the grower for been a member.
Everyone be happy then.
rt management be happy cos they have a job,
farmers be happy as there getting a return on there outlay
Obviously this does all hinge on the red tractor brand having a value and is where I feel my idea falls spectacularly apart
It’s worse than thatAnd it all sounded so well, right up to the point where there’s no value..
As I understand it red tractor gets 4.5 million pounds a year
divided as follows
Farmers 50%
End users of the logo 45%
AHDB (until recently) 5%
Now they claim to be a not for profit company!
so what the hell do they do to burn thru that amount of money annually???
There’s no sustained advertising campaign of any significance!
No added value
no bonus/premium or anything been paid back to those that contribute to there scheme?
So what are they spending it all on?
Hang on though we’re not finished yet!
Again as I understand things the audit fee where all charged by Nsf or SAI, only a small percent goes back to red tractor.
someone better qualified may be able to confirm the exact amount!
so the cost to our industry is a lot more than what rt take. And would probably put paid to any claims by various NFU/AIC/rt office holders that pesticide testing of imports (which aren’t required on home grown grain anyway) are more expensive than our annual red tractor fee
so even more money effectively p!ssed up the wall for nothing in return!
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I think it’s maybe also high time the part that NSF and SAI play in all this assurance racket is scrutinised a bit closer, so far they seem to have managed to shy away from the limelight!
because on the face of it if my above thoughts are correct they appear to be doing quite nicely out of us!
because on the face of it if my above thoughts are correct they appear to be doing quite nicely out of us!
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- Location
- Hammerwich
NSF make enough money to Sponsor the category in the Farming Awards that was for the award given to the NFU. That was funny. Also SAI being the only sponsor to get boo'ed made me laugh.
Not sure why either of them need to sponsor anything to be honest.
SilliamWhale
Member
What is worse is that it is very difficult to find out what they have spent it on, I don't know who does their auditing but it appears pretty secretive. They do have a right to be secretive of course as they are a private company - which is why we are entitled to be unhappy about them too
SilliamWhale
Member
Because its a circle jerk. And they don't have anything genuinely useful to spend the money on to add value because they don't have the skills to do it
Tarw Coch
Member
- Location
- Bottom of Wats Dyke
Back scratching, you scratch mine and I’ll scratch yours
- Location
- Westish Suffolk
RT love us really - temp storage temporarily extended to 15 Nov
How gracious of them.....
How gracious of them.....
NSF appear to have enough fingers in enough pies to hide anything they make out of red tractor
bribery of media is actual probably the smartest thing they do
Spencer
Member
- Location
- North West
Hasn’t this whole fiasco/scam just got a Panorama investigation written all over it......?
warksfarmer
Member
It’s happening.
- Location
- Mid Norfolk
Announced 2 working days before the deadline and following a couple of announcements that they definitely wouldn't be extending the temporary storage period. I wonder how many growers have panic-sold grain at a considerable discount for fear of breaking the rules?
The haulage issues have been ongoing for a few months now, many growers had an exceptionally late harvest so the occupancy of temporary storage is much shorter anyway. These people have absolutely no idea how the world works.
Steevo
Member
- Location
- Gloucestershire
They aren’t interested in the world working. Just the optics of it all.
Having announced it they can now claim to be reasonable and have listened to the concerns of growers. To these people PR is what matters, not reality.
- Location
- Westish Suffolk
Prob more to do with that their closely associated trade people ( you know, Frontier and Openfield ) cant collect cheaply bought grain by the original imminent deadline - now got a little breathing space.
Of course its well known that stores that weren't 'satisfactory' for long term storage are now suddenly OK for another fortnight...
- Location
- Hereford
It has .....but can we trust the BBC not to put an anti farming slant on it .....I doubt it !
Spencer
Member
- Location
- North West
I did think the same.