Moist Citrus Pulp

Helpinghand · Oct 15, 2021

Hello Folk

I would like to ask a question to anyone in the south of England on here. Moist citrus pulp is a feed that has been around for donkeys year and in your part of the world you can buy it near enough as cheap as you can grow silage.

it is and incredible source of energy at 13.5ME and loads of fibre.

Cost per tonne of Dry matter varied between £120 approx in kend and sussex to £165/tn in hampshire.

so here is my question...

why do people continue to purchase Sugar Beet Nuts and PK at £200/tn and above ?

Jdunn55 · Oct 15, 2021

What's the fibre, protein and starch levels? Along with dm%

sidjon · Oct 15, 2021

Citrus pulp can and does cause massive blood clots in rumin, neighbour found this out after feeding high amounts of pulp in diet l, when cows started dieing

som farmer · Oct 15, 2021

two types, if you get the 'orange' one, it's a great feed, the lemon, or worse the grapefruit ones, cattle don't like them them a lot.
One neighbour, fed reject bananas one winter, we all had plenty, virtually nothing visibly wrong with them, cows ate the lot, skins included, all in a tmr.

Jdunn55 · Oct 15, 2021

som farmer said:
two types, if you get the 'orange' one, it's a great feed, the lemon, or worse the grapefruit ones, cattle don't like them them a lot.
One neighbour, fed reject bananas one winter, we all had plenty, virtually nothing visibly wrong with them, cows ate the lot, skins included, all in a tmr.

Cows go absolutely nuts for bananas! Dad always has one at 10am and feeds the peel to a granny cow who will literally stomp you into the ground to eat it

harrysmith · Oct 16, 2021

i feed moist citrus pulp all year round at 5kg in tmr diet

Helpinghand · Oct 18, 2021

Jdunn55 said:
What's the fibre, protein and starch levels? Along with dm%

hello

its approx 8%CP , 45%NDF , 17.5% Sugar and starch , 13.5ME

Helpinghand · Oct 18, 2021

harrysmith said:
i feed moist citrus pulp all year round at 5kg in tmr diet

out of curiosity what was the main reason you tried it and why have you kept it ?

harrysmith · Oct 18, 2021

i was asked if id take a artic on a sunday because they needed it moved , was £10 a ton deliv , that was 4 year ago and been feeding it since thou with inflation its £14 now

ollie989898 · Oct 20, 2021

First thing I would want to know is the digestibility of the stuff. You can quote dry matter, crude protein and ME all you like but those are all meaningless without knowing how digestible the stuff is.

Sugarbeet is an excellent feed with high digestibility. PK is basically naff.

Helpinghand · Nov 3, 2021

ollie989898 said:
First thing I would want to know is the digestibility of the stuff. You can quote dry matter, crude protein and ME all you like but those are all meaningless without knowing how digestible the stuff is.

Sugarbeet is an excellent feed with high digestibility. PK is basically naff.

i have finally found an answer to this, the digestibility of orange citrus pulp compared to Sugarbeet is exactly the same. except the citrus pulp becomes more digestible over time because it keep breaking down. It is suggested when first feeding it to let it sit for 3 days with the first load.

another reason why it is so widely used for capping grass and maize clamps, because even after 8-10 months it doesn't go off and still feeds very well.

Very popular with farmers on Arla contracts in the South of England and South wales

Enry · Nov 6, 2021

ollie989898 said:
First thing I would want to know is the digestibility of the stuff. You can quote dry matter, crude protein and ME all you like but those are all meaningless without knowing how digestible the stuff is.

Sugarbeet is an excellent feed with high digestibility. PK is basically naff.

ME relates to digestibility…..if something has poor digestibility I can’t have a high ME can it…??

sidjon · Nov 7, 2021

Enry said:
ME relates to digestibility…..if something has poor digestibility I can’t have a high ME can it…??

Sawdust has ME of 14 ,which they put in cake in the 1970, but isn't digestible

som farmer · Nov 7, 2021

sidjon said:
Sawdust has ME of 14 ,which they put in cake in the 1970, but isn't digestible

l think we were all shocked, when millers were forced to declare ingredients, they put in their cake.
They still add fillers to their cake, they are not the shite they used to use, but l do wonder what exactly, they actually do for the animal. PK ia a common ingredient, and, at a meeting, a rep remarked, that it was impossible, for a cow, to fully utilise it, in the time it takes to pass through the digestive process, it is that slow to be broken down. I have no idea whether that is true, but coming from a miller, probably correct, what else do they include cheaply, to make the figures 'correct', that doesn't really isn't available to the animal.
Always slightly suspicious, when grain prices rise, their inclusion decreases, at least with grain, there isn't any 'shite' with it, you know, what you have.
Of course plenty of by-products are absolutely great, one just has to be aware, a cheap conc, is not necessarily cheap, then add tolerance levels !

harrysmith · Nov 7, 2021

I feed citrus pulp all the time in moderation , best fed after a week of standing , cows like it and it very cheap , but dont all of you to start feeding it because i dont want it in demand!

sidjon · Nov 7, 2021

som farmer said:
l think we were all shocked, when millers were forced to declare ingredients, they put in their cake.
They still add fillers to their cake, they are not the shite they used to use, but l do wonder what exactly, they actually do for the animal. PK ia a common ingredient, and, at a meeting, a rep remarked, that it was impossible, for a cow, to fully utilise it, in the time it takes to pass through the digestive process, it is that slow to be broken down. I have no idea whether that is true, but coming from a miller, probably correct, what else do they include cheaply, to make the figures 'correct', that doesn't really isn't available to the animal.
Always slightly suspicious, when grain prices rise, their inclusion decreases, at least with grain, there isn't any 'shite' with it, you know, what you have.
Of course plenty of by-products are absolutely great, one just has to be aware, a cheap conc, is not necessarily cheap, then add tolerance levels !

Pke has 50% digestibility, great as forage replacement but that's about it , high % of it is shell or bits of wood and then odd monkey

, yes load of filler used in the old days pre BSE .

Courier · Nov 7, 2021

sidjon said:
Sawdust has ME of 14 ,which they put in cake in the 1970, but isn't digestible

Which is why the “ash” content of a concentrate is a tell tale indicator.

ollie989898 · Nov 7, 2021

Courier said:
Which is why the “ash” content of a concentrate is a tell tale indicator.

Unless you have a significant amount of minerals going in.

Jdunn55 · Nov 7, 2021

ollie989898 said:
Unless you have a significant amount of minerals going in.

I took some advice on here once for my sheep, someone said to have the lowest possible ash content, my feed rep said he could make the cake all but 0% Ash if i wanted but don't expect any mineral in it

Ffermer Bach · Nov 7, 2021

I thought this stuff was really good for finishing lambs, however non organic so can't use now, it is very moist and a lot of orange peel etc

https://www.pencefnfeeds.com/uploads/1/2/5/6/125607796/lamb_finisher_moist_feed__1.pdf

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