Yara says food crisis coming

The perfect storm. Unaffordable input prices, shortage of labour, low prices for produce, farm support removed unless of course you want to produce very little. Oh, and let's not forget the increase in compliance that we all enjoy so much. Triple digit food inflation.
Yes you really couldn’t write it could you. Tough times ahead for many
 

Hindsight

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And now the Guardian prints a story regarding ammonia. Maybe some one better than me can lift it on to here!! It is attacking our use of muck.!!
WB

Nothing really new in the article. Just an address at a meeting at COP. Reducing Ammonia loss from Agriculture has been a UK and worldwide objective for several years. Covering slurry lagoons, injecting slurry, changes to application of Poultry Manures.


 

Nowthenblue

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I thought gas just powered the process. Nitrogen & Hydrogen are in the air just need the power from the gas or hydro, Harber Shruber process????

Please someone correct me. If hydro will do it, how about solar in the middle East or North Africa????https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z9tvw6f/revision/1

Edit I'm wrong

How about solar/hydro & AD plant. Maybe some heat capture, one for James Dyson perhaps.

It's chemistry, to make Ammonium Nitrate you have to firstly make Ammonia, to do this in very simple terms you need natural gas ( currently the expensive bit )which is CH4, then you combine it with Nitrogen from the atmosphere ie N ( the free bit ) to make Ammonia NH3. You lose the C element as Carbon Dioxide as we know. Now you need to make the Nitrate bit, so you make Nitric Acid which is HNO3, using some more Ammonia in the process, and now you can combine this with your other Ammonia to make Ammonium Nitrate which is NH4NO3. All sounds simple as if you can do it with a chemistry set, but high temperatures, high pressures and caltalysts are needed.
Urea is slightly different, you still need to start with Ammonia, but then you combine with Carbon Dioxide to make Urea which is CH
4N20.
You are partly right, some of the gas is used to power other activities when making N fertilisers, but upwards of 85-90% of the cost of production is the gas.
 
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ski

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If you think (and I do) that we are headed for a complete omnishambles that optimistically will be very bad and pessimistically will bring about significant damage to our current civil society the surely one must consider what to do to prepare. Take the maxim 'See, Judge, Act' and we are certainly seeing all sorts of breakdowns to normal service, then it seems equally obvious that most of what we are seeing can be judged to be injurious to what has until recently been normal service, there fore logically and if one has the courage of ones convictions one must act. I find myself thinking that any sort of blame or pointing fingers is now irrelevant, all that will count from here on is how and what we choose to do?
 
Yes, but without animals ......... as they are f#cking up the planet apparently !!

Now what's the solution Politicians and eco-warriers !?!
The solution is to do what policy was in the 80’s
Production and incentives to do so
Now we have the population to feed where as then we didn’t
 
And now the Guardian prints a story regarding ammonia. Maybe some one better than me can lift it on to here!! It is attacking our use of muck.!!
WB


"Somehow", pollution only occurs in Cities.

We don't see harmful pollution in the countryside - yet "Ammonia" "Somehow" combines with "Chemicals" in Cities and produces pollution.

I think they mean Cities are polluted and Ammonia - which is emitted by AdBlue vehicles - makes it "Worse".

Regardless, it's a cows fault.
 

neilo

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Time to get back to proper mixed farming methinks!

I do mixed farming, but you still have to bring nutrients into the cycle somewhere, for as long as you are exporting it as agricultural output.

Even muck doesn’t come from nowhere, and contains less nutrients than what you put into it (unless your animals aren’t productive in any way).
 

britt

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I heard this morning via a lorry driver that a certain fert plan was so full of blue bags that they were stacked everywhere.
Oh. and AN has dropped £40/t this morning.
 

andybk

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Mendips Somerset
Yes, but without animals ......... as they are f#cking up the planet apparently !!

Now what's the solution Politicians and eco-warriers !?!
I want to know what they will all wear and put on their floors after the sheep are gone , all that oil based clothing and floor coverings and subsequent disposal costs are going to be hard to justify
 
I want to know what they will all wear and put on their floors after the sheep are gone , all that oil based clothing and floor coverings and subsequent disposal costs are going to be hard to justify
“Oil based clothing and floor coverings” are a by product of the fuel oil and petrochemical industry so when transport depends on electric and hydrogen then crops for fibre will once again be in demand.
 
The perfect storm. Unaffordable input prices, shortage of labour, low prices for produce, farm support removed unless of course you want to produce very little. Oh, and let's not forget the increase in compliance that we all enjoy so much. Triple digit food inflation.
No such thing as “Unaffordable” for essentials - it’s a matter of priorities.
 

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

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