Tractor hours

hagar

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Everything is going up, you can spend 8k on a quad or 5k on a lawn mower

Speaking to the guy that sells a lot o quads in this area other day and he was saying the 700 grizzly I bought 18 months ago for roughly £8500 is now touching £10500 o_O .
Can am and Suzuki (which I've had from him in past) aren't that far behind either!!
Christ I remember when it was a 2wd Timberwolf and changed them at 2 yr old for about £1000😄
 
How long is a piece of string? My father traded in two older tractors in 2006 a Ford 4600 and a JD 2650 for a new MF5455 for 35k. That particular tractor was a lemon, I got rid at 7,500 hrs. In that time we replaced two head gaskets a gearbox damper plate, hyd pumps. Probably over 20k of repairs. By comparison I replaced it with an older JD6420, thought it had 4K hrs it was actually 14k 7 years ago. As you’d expect it’s not been faultless, but stands me less than £1 per clock hr repairs so I’m happy and has probably depreciated by £8k.
 

Denim92

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Arable Farmer
I've spend quite some time reading many different topics on this forum where is even little mentioned Claas/Renault Ares tractors,since i have some plans in buying one next year.But one thing still i couldn't find mentioned,or maybe i've missed it.When these tractors pass over 9999 hours on clock ,does it goes back to 1 ,or 10 000 ?.Or ofc to put it more simple,is it 4 or 5 digits ?.
I will probably have many questions about them in other topics,but this about hours is currently bugging me.Most of the Claas/Renault Ares tractors here that are for sale ,they are lets say 15 years old,but on hours clock it's written 6000-8000 hours. Personally i highly doubt those are original.So either they are 16 000 -18000 hours or as it is here mentioned at one page,they somehow stop those hours counting for few years ,and before tractor goes for sell ,they fix that. Is that easy to be done ?,or returning working hours on tractors over laptop or idk ,is that ''popular'' such as it is returning mileage on cars ?.
 

dave mountain

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Livestock Farmer
I've spend quite some time reading many different topics on this forum where is even little mentioned Claas/Renault Ares tractors,since i have some plans in buying one next year.But one thing still i couldn't find mentioned,or maybe i've missed it.When these tractors pass over 9999 hours on clock ,does it goes back to 1 ,or 10 000 ?.Or ofc to put it more simple,is it 4 or 5 digits ?.
I will probably have many questions about them in other topics,but this about hours is currently bugging me.Most of the Claas/Renault Ares tractors here that are for sale ,they are lets say 15 years old,but on hours clock it's written 6000-8000 hours. Personally i highly doubt those are original.So either they are 16 000 -18000 hours or as it is here mentioned at one page,they somehow stop those hours counting for few years ,and before tractor goes for sell ,they fix that. Is that easy to be done ?,or returning working hours on tractors over laptop or idk ,is that ''popular'' such as it is returning mileage on cars ?.
tractors can be clocked just the same as cars, not sure how common it is. tractors were a lot cheaper 15 years ago so some were bought just for 400-500 hours a year, so possibly genuine hours
 

Denim92

Member
Arable Farmer
Well most of them have new ,or very good tires on them ,i mean on those that shows 6-8k hours.So in my opinion that puts even larger suspicion on them.I guess it could be ok if machine were doing some road transport allot,then tires do wear out faster,but all of those machines were in field work or at farm using front loader.
 

Denim92

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Arable Farmer
Time to edit message is really short.
What about hours ?,do Ares models show 5 or 4 digits on clock ?,after 9999 they go back to 1 ?.
 

dave mountain

Member
Livestock Farmer
Well most of them have new ,or very good tires on them ,i mean on those that shows 6-8k hours.So in my opinion that puts even larger suspicion on them.I guess it could be ok if machine were doing some road transport allot,then tires do wear out faster,but all of those machines were in field work or at farm using front loader.
I wouldn't take any notice of tyres, they won't still be on the originals at that age (unlikely anyway)
 

Drillman

Member
Mixed Farmer
Hour meter readings are just a number no more no less.

There is a tractor in our local collective auction, the twin of one of mine, the only difference is mine has about 2000hrs more on the clock.
but park them side by side and give folks a choice at the same money and I would bet a substantial amount of money mine would be the first to sell.
 

Lakes Nash

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Mixed Farmer
Location
South lakes
you would be surprised how many the clock doesnt even work at that age, hours and car milage dont seem to account for as much now a days, as to tyres, they are a lot of money to kit a 4 legger out, plus how tidy and the maintenance will sometimes stand for more!
 

Denim92

Member
Arable Farmer
@Drillman
Yes i agree with you,but...you are talking about 2000 hours difference ,if other tractor hours are real ,not tampered with or idk...But in my case i am afraid that instead 6000-8000 hours tractors have 10 000 more ,if they turned clock.I wouldn't worry if they have 2-3k hours more than what is on dashboard ,not much worry at least,but 10 000 hours more is just buying cat in a bag.
How much would you give hours to some 150-200hp tractor that is 12-15 years old ?,in average ofc.I know these smaller tractor about 100-120 hp ,they work much with front loader on farms,and they are more universal to say,so usually if i am not wrong they in average make more hours per year than larger machines.
We can all agree that there is nothing worse on these modern tractors for repair than transmission .It's most expensive ,most time consuming repair.My friend on ,not sure exact tractor model,some John Deer 250-280 hp ,older model ,2005 or so year ,for repair of transmission he had to say goodbye to some 12-15 000 euro,not sure exactly but i know price was allot.And that is what i am afraid allot, those fancy transmission of theirs ,i mean on all modern tractors,power shift,cvt,vario ....it's nightmare if they fail, mechanically i mean ofc.
 

Drillman

Member
Mixed Farmer
@Drillman
Yes i agree with you,but...you are talking about 2000 hours difference ,if other tractor hours are real ,not tampered with or idk...But in my case i am afraid that instead 6000-8000 hours tractors have 10 000 more ,if they turned clock.I wouldn't worry if they have 2-3k hours more than what is on dashboard ,not much worry at least,but 10 000 hours more is just buying cat in a bag.
How much would you give hours to some 150-200hp tractor that is 12-15 years old ?,in average ofc.I know these smaller tractor about 100-120 hp ,they work much with front loader on farms,and they are more universal to say,so usually if i am not wrong they in average make more hours per year than larger machines.
We can all agree that there is nothing worse on these modern tractors for repair than transmission .It's most expensive ,most time consuming repair.My friend on ,not sure exact tractor model,some John Deer 250-280 hp ,older model ,2005 or so year ,for repair of transmission he had to say goodbye to some 12-15 000 euro,not sure exactly but i know price was allot.And that is what i am afraid allot, those fancy transmission of theirs ,i mean on all modern tractors,power shift,cvt,vario ....it's nightmare if they fail, mechanically i mean ofc.
I personally think that most stuff gets to the stage where condition becomes more important than hours, I’ve 2 such machines recently bought that fall into that category.
 

Denim92

Member
Arable Farmer
I agree ofc,but please share with me what would you look for to determine condition of tractor ?.90% of tractors here that are for sale are imported goods.John Deere,Claas,Renault,Valtra,Massey,Fendt,New Holland,Case .....Peoples that are doing this importing and then selling of those machines ,they are ...i guess we can use word crafty,they can hide most of the flaws of some poorer looking machine and is hard to tell what condition it was before they put hands on them.Very little of them will allow buyer to test that tractor in field somewhere ,to heat up all the oils,test gear changes under load ,etc. Usually they will only allow driving down the street and more or less that's it.And that is how nearly all of them are,i would never buy used machine like that ,but seems that not all farmers thinks like that here...i follow those adds here and honestly most of the tractors find new owners pretty fast.
 

Agri Spec Solicitor

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Livestock Farmer
Sadly there is no easy answer. Here are a few examples for tractors:
1. Distance purchase, had a local dealer for the brand do an appraisal report. As soon as it was examined anyone could have seen it was very tired. Dealer said it was fine. Cost a lot more than expected to fix it.
2. Appraisal again but the appraiser told the seller it was great, whereupon seller sold it to someone else .Loose lips sink ships!
3.Distance purchase by description, pics and words. Minor issues easily negotiated.
Unless you know the history of the machine first hand it is a risk.
I still prefer sale by description for distance sales where long journeys are not worth it, and if seller won’t list the good the bad and the ugly, time to move on.
I just sold an old tractor to someone at a long distance and he had a lot of photos, some videos of starting etc, and a list of the faults we knew existed. He is happy with it, so the effort on both sides was worth it.
 
I agree ofc,but please share with me what would you look for to determine condition of tractor ?.90% of tractors here that are for sale are imported goods.John Deere,Claas,Renault,Valtra,Massey,Fendt,New Holland,Case .....Peoples that are doing this importing and then selling of those machines ,they are ...i guess we can use word crafty,they can hide most of the flaws of some poorer looking machine and is hard to tell what condition it was before they put hands on them.Very little of them will allow buyer to test that tractor in field somewhere ,to heat up all the oils,test gear changes under load ,etc. Usually they will only allow driving down the street and more or less that's it.And that is how nearly all of them are,i would never buy used machine like that ,but seems that not all farmers thinks like that here...i follow those adds here and honestly most of the tractors find new owners pretty fast.
I bought a 1996 6200 jd back in the summer as a spare , i was a little worried that the clock reading was not right but it was tidy and ran ok so i bought it . Anyway i gave it a clean oil and filter and thought i would check the air filter was clean only to find the date it was changed and hours all matching up ! so don't be suprised if your renults are genuine .
 

Spanish

Member
In tractors less than 20 years old, you can know exactly how many hours they have run.

In this forum, I do not remember who, someone taught me to check, in my case, the hours of the JD series 10 in a concise way
 

Cmoran

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Galway Ireland
In my opinion someone who buys a high horsepower tractor at large money I think they would be putting more than 400-500 hours per year on it but people believe when every tractor advertised at 15 years old has 6000-8000hrs genuine lol.
 

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