COP26 ... Your predictions

sjt01

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Mixed Farmer
Location
North Norfolk
On the energy suppliers…..apparently Green Energy UK are the greenest energy supplier, not what some would have you believe.

This article suggests they are the only supplier able to offer 100% green electricity and 100% green gas. (If that matters to you). For comparison Ecotricity can only supply 10% green gas.

We supply Green Energy UK with cow poo power
 

Steevo

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Location
Gloucestershire
Bit behind with reading the FW but just picked it up and this bit really made me laugh….

Full credit to @AM_Arable - he has a point.

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Bald Rick

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
I see that there is another off shoot of XR / Insulate Britain called "Tyred of SUVs" where they are going around deflating the tyres of cars the activists consider "inappropriate"

Activists placed “climate violation” flyers on the windscreens, which stated: “Your SUV contributes to the second biggest cause of carbon emissions rises in the last decade.

“This is why we have disarmed your car by deflating one or more of its tyres.”

It added: “Action is required from you: Go small. Go public transport.”
 

delilah

Member
I see that there is another off shoot of XR / Insulate Britain called "Tyred of SUVs" where they are going around deflating the tyres of cars the activists consider "inappropriate"

Activists placed “climate violation” flyers on the windscreens, which stated: “Your SUV contributes to the second biggest cause of carbon emissions rises in the last decade.

“This is why we have disarmed your car by deflating one or more of its tyres.”

It added: “Action is required from you: Go small. Go public transport.”

HGV's are 2% of road traffic and 22% of road emissions. If they want to do some useful direct action they should go round Tesco slapping 'don't shop here, eat local' stickers on stuff. It's great fun.
 

Bald Rick

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
HGV's are 2% of road traffic and 22% of road emissions. If they want to do some useful direct action they should go round Tesco slapping 'don't shop here, eat local' stickers on stuff. It's great fun.

They are targeting posh cars not HGVs.

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I don't think they'd be brave enough to touch my Amarok for fear of contacting sh!t meaning that they'd need a bath
 

Bald Rick

Moderator
Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey


Dear Deputy Minister,
I write to you following your interview on the BBC Politics Wales programme on Sunday 7th November, where you stated that ‘according to the science, we need to eat less meat’ in a bid to tackle climate change.
These comments appear to reflect Welsh Government’s Net Zero Wales Plan – Carbon Budget 2, published recently, which refers to the UK Climate Change Committee (CCC) recommendation that a ‘20% cut in meat and dairy consumption by 2030, rising to 35% by 2050 for meat only, with meat and dairy being replaced with plant-based products’.
However, Welsh Government has been clear, in developing the Net Zero Wales Plan, that they are setting out their own plan about how to get to Net Zero stating ‘while we have taken the CCC’s advice very seriously and it has informed our thinking in developing this Plan, we have generated a set of ambitions and actions which are different from their model and which better reflect the geography, culture and economy of Wales’. A position that reflects Welsh Government’s broader remit to enhance economic, environmental, social and cultural well-being in Wales.
In the case of meat consumption recommendations, NFU Cymru believes there are compelling reasons for Wales to set its own path and for Welsh Government to deviate from the route suggested in the CCC’s advice. I am sure you are aware that red meat is nutrient-dense, rich in protein and a great source of a range of important nutrients for health such as iron, zinc and vitamins B and D. Scientific and medical communities agree that red meat plays a vital role in a healthy, balanced diet. Indeed, many groups of people in society, particularly the elderly, females and young children, often lack these nutrients and could benefit from eating more red meat. Those who choose to avoid or cut down on meat would need to make sure they acquire adequate amounts of these essential nutrients via other foods, which in many cases are highly processed and can have higher environmental pressures involved in their production.
Whilst we fully respect that everyone has the right to make their own dietary choices, NFU Cymru is firmly of the view that consumers can continue to maintain current average levels of meat consumption provided they carefully consider the provenance and production methods associated with that meat. We welcome the comments you made in your interview with James Williams that ‘the meat you do eat should be local meat and it should be better quality meat’. As producers of some the most climate-friendly food in the world, this is a point with which we agree entirely. Consumers can purchase meat from Wales safe in the knowledge that it is produced to some of the highest standards of sustainability. I am sure you are fully aware of the Hybu Cig Cymru document The Welsh Way, that references studies that show that Welsh red meat is already significantly more sustainable than the global average, alongside setting a pathway for how we can go even further. As an example, the research quoted in The Welsh Way shows that around 11-16 kg CO2 equivalent are emitted per kg beef produced in Wales, compared to the global average of 37 kg CO2 equivalent / kg beef, our footprint is already well under a half of the global average.

Welsh Government’s Net Zero Wales Plan rightly acknowledges the CCC advice that ‘agricultural emissions should not be off-shored. Achieving emissions reduction should not be at the expense of producing less food in the UK and increasing imports. As the UK is a relatively low-greenhouse gas producer of ruminant meat compared to global averages, this risks exporting emissions abroad and increasing consumption emissions’.
I am sure you are also aware of the NFU Cymru/NFU Net Zero 2040 ambition for agriculture and the steps we have outlined to achieve Net Zero, based on our thee pillars of improving productivity, increasing carbon storage and boosting renewable energy generation and the wider bioeconomy. It is for this reason that we firmly believe that farmers hold the key to helping Wales tackle the effects of climate change; our industry needs to be viewed as a crucial part of the solution, rather than the problem. We believe that our vision for Net Zero is more practical and achievable than some of the proposals set out in the CCC advice.
Last week I had the pleasure of spending some time in COP26, sharing platforms, listening to and meeting with farmer colleagues and government ministers and officials from across the world. I was enthused by so much of what I listened to and heard in Glasgow. I was most pleased to hear a number of delegates talking of the opportunities of science, data and innovation to help meet our shared goal of Net Zero emissions, I was less enthused when I heard some governments talk of meeting their targets through a diminishing of their production base. I believe this to be an unsustainable position in the context of the predicted future challenges to our global food production systems.
I am excited and passionate about the prospects for Welsh farming and the continued, sustainable growth of our food and drink industry going forward. We already have a wonderful story to tell. By capitalising on the opportunities that science and innovation can deliver, making best use of our world-leading agricultural institutions in Aberystwyth and Bangor, driving forward efficiency on farm through the use of genetics and feed additives, as just two examples, we can drive even greater improvements. Alongside this we can continue to make best use of the natural resources we have in abundance in Wales – rain and grass – on land that is, in the main, unsuitable for growing crops. Combined with the best farmers in the world, this is a winning formula for climate-friendly food production.
The message that reducing meat consumption helps the environment is far too simplistic. A different pathway than advised by the CCC is needed. I hope that based on the role that agriculture plays to the geography, economy and culture of Wales, alongside the ambition that the agricultural industry in Wales has set for itself, including the NFU Cymru Net Zero vision and HCC’s The Welsh Way, that you will agree that there is an alternative and more just transition to Net Zero that has been developed by the industry.
I am immensely proud to represent a sector that makes an unparalleled contribution to the economic, environmental, social and cultural well-being of Wales. I firmly believe that with the right policies and support from Welsh Government we can continue to enhance our contribution to Welsh society whilst meeting our ambition to 2040 Net Zero Agriculture. At NFU Cymru we would be delighted to have the opportunity to meet with you to discuss how we can work together to achieve our ambition.


Signed John Davies, President NFU Cymru
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
HGV's are 2% of road traffic and 22% of road emissions. If they want to do some useful direct action they should go round Tesco slapping 'don't shop here, eat local' stickers on stuff. It's great fun.

Will you be doing the same in all the other supermarkets too, and in those 'local' farm shops that also sell avocados and pineapples?
 
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neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
I see that there is another off shoot of XR / Insulate Britain called "Tyred of SUVs" where they are going around deflating the tyres of cars the activists consider "inappropriate"

Activists placed “climate violation” flyers on the windscreens, which stated: “Your SUV contributes to the second biggest cause of carbon emissions rises in the last decade.

“This is why we have disarmed your car by deflating one or more of its tyres.”

It added: “Action is required from you: Go small. Go public transport.”

I would have thought such 'action' could lead to fisticuffs very quickly. That's very much a personal attack on an individual, however the passive aggressive dipshits try to dress it up. :mad:

Ooh, 'dipshit' gets past the filter. (y)
 

delilah

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@delilah ............ pretty much sums up your position ?

Mind you, this is NFU Cymru

If anything he doesn't go far enough. The best way to counter the crap being thrown our way is to tell folks that the more British beef and lamb they eat the better.
Saying 'it is ok to maintain current consumption levels' still sounds apologetic, almost as if eating beef should be seen as a guilty pleasure.
 

delilah

Member
Will you be doing the same in all the other supermarkets too, and in those 'local' farm shops that also sell avocados and pineapples?

I keep telling you, you should take it as a compliment. We both understand that when I say 'Tesco' it is just shorthand for 'corporate control of our food system'.
 

Bald Rick

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
If anything he doesn't go far enough. The best way to counter the crap being thrown our way is to tell folks that the more British beef and lamb they eat the better.
Saying 'it is ok to maintain current consumption levels' still sounds apologetic, almost as if eating beef should be seen as a guilty pleasure.

I suppose the real problem is that the NFU Cymru need to tread a little carefully as agriculture is devolved. In one way, it’s great because access to the lawmakers is much easier but on the other, it is very much a closed shop.

We do, though, have a number of aces in Wales not least of which is the language issue - which is not overt but is a key factor in maintaining Welsh farmers and their families on farms
 

DaveGrohl

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Cumbria
"Coral reefs will disappear. Seals, whales, birds and fish will die, no longer able to eat the food they relied on. Life as we know it would be over, and it is likely that most humans would be wiped out."
Er, why? What about us fish dodgers?

Anyone understand the theory behind this? I have no knowledge of how these phytoplankton absorb CO2, so my question is if CO2 levels are rising then that means more phytoplankton? Do they absorb it at the surface directly from the atmosphere? Do they absorb it from the carbonic acid in the water? Something doesn't add up here but I'm obv missing something.
 
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delilah

Member
I suppose the real problem is that the NFU Cymru need to tread a little carefully as agriculture is devolved. In one way, it’s great because access to the lawmakers is much easier but on the other, it is very much a closed shop.

We do, though, have a number of aces in Wales not least of which is the language issue - which is not overt but is a key factor in maintaining Welsh farmers and their families on farms

One benefit you do have in Wales is that you can watch the slow motion car crash that is ELMS and hopefully do better.
 

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