Old tennant won’t leave

serf said:

Buy them and bin them if they are that sort of money , will be cheaper than lawyers and agents tussleing it over, as for the disease risk they are on the place anyway regardless of who's names on the passport so a oneway ticket out of there for them seems the sensible way .

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Not really the problem though is it.
The old tenant is being difficult and using cattle as an excuse ,and sounds like the agents not doing his job. IMO opinion the new tenant shouldn't be paying rent for a farm he can't farm but I understand why he would go on paying.

Is the old tenant a family member by any chance?. Sounds more to this than meets the eye.

Bald n Grumpy said:

Not really the problem though is it.
The old tenant is being difficult and using cattle as an excuse ,and sounds like the agents not doing his job. IMO opinion the new tenant shouldn't be paying rent for a farm he can't farm but I understand why he would go on paying.

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I was just suggesting to get them out the equation and one less hurdle to pee about with , and one less excuse to get in the way, the few quid spent on them would be chicken feed to what could turn into with agents and Co.

serf said:

I was just suggesting to get them out the equation and one less hurdle to pee about with , and one less excuse to get in the way, the few quid spent on them would be chicken feed to what could turn into with agents and Co.

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Get your point, but removing the old tenant shouldn't be the new tenants problem.
Perhaps the landlord should offer to buy the cattle?

is the l/lord still accepting rent from the a/hole, or is he paying back rent ?
legal minefield, get the professionals in, stay distant, it could end up in an ugly mess, which you are better of, at arms length. This cannot be the first time, nationally, that this has occurred, so somebody will know how to deal with it.
As it stands at the moment, l/lord is getting his rent, so why should he do anything, until he absolutely has to, easy way out for him.

Lincoln75 said:

If he's neglecting livestock tell the RSPCA , they will bring the police in if necessary, it may just be enough for him to pack and leave.

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Dont do this will it will make it worse for all perhaps, speak to TFA and the agent/landlord who let it to you (its their issue to enforce ) and make no enemies if you can help it , remember you dont know what agreement the other tenant has with the landlord it could be the landlord at fault possibly ?

digger64 said:

Dont do this will it will make it worse for all perhaps, speak to TFA and the agent/landlord who let it to you (its their issue to enforce ) and make no enemies if you can help it , remember you dont know what agreement the other tenant has with the landlord it could be the landlord at fault possibly ?

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As a stockman you have a duty to report mistreated livestock ,whether it does or doesn't affect your business , worrying about upsetting someone over such a matter shows a lack of balls.

Lincoln75 said:

As a stockman you have a duty to report mistreated livestock ,whether it does or doesn't affect your business , worrying about upsetting someone over such a matter shows a lack of balls.

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then report it to the landlord - what takes balls is keeping a cool head in a very difficult situation that really could blow up

Why does a report to RSPCA have to be public?

digger64 said:

then report it to the landlord - what takes balls is keeping a cool head in a very difficult situation that really could blow up

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Animal welfare is not the landlords responsibility , the tenant can only stay there if the law allows , an eviction order should be served if the tenant is in the wrong otherwise you could still find yourself being cool and nice in a years time.

Lincoln75 said:

Animal welfare is not the landlords responsibility , the tenant can only stay there if the law allows , an eviction order should be served if the tenant is in the wrong otherwise you could still find yourself being cool and nice in a years time.

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If they arent your animals its not yours either ,but seeing as they are there as a result of his previous agreement its more the landlords responsibility than yours , last thing you need in a situation like this is someone with a chip on their shoulder around looking for revenge . The TFA will advise and help they are really good .

When I took over some land the previous tenant had left a stack of straw. The landlords agent contacted the old tenent and said that he (the agent) would be selling the straw next week unless the old tenent moved it.

It worked.

digger64 said:

If they arent your animals its not yours either ,but seeing as they are there as a result of his previous agreement its more the landlords responsibility than yours , last thing you need in a situation like this is someone with a chip on their shoulder around looking for revenge . The TFA will advise and help they are really good .

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Try being nice initially by all means but don't spend too much time doing it , if the tenant decides he`s going to milk to the end you need to have eviction notices served asap , what is odd is the OP has taken on a farm with an occupant , his solicitor wants kicking into touch , assuming he used one .

Not an easy situation BUT you need to stand well clear of this and let your agent chivvy the landlord’s agent into action. As others have said it is your future landlord’s problem.
Get your agent to verify with the other side that they will cover his fees and other expenses that you may incur.

Doenst bode well for the future does it

Ive been through this exact shitiiiiite with a man near harrogate - he went your way afterwards? initials arnt TAG are they?

I got stuck with a duty of care as the tenancy was in my name and had to pay to dispose of the dead - he was on his 4th farm by this point, his business model was not pay and not go - he had been on the land i rented for 6 years without paying - he was down to one field by this point - ultimately we used the straying livestock regulations to removed and sell the stock - cows are hard due to the passport issue - rendering a contradiction in legislation that can only be closed by shooting them. after 3months of stalemate we (LL and me) sold the sheep, LL just provided written confirmation of my tenancy so I had the right, one cow disappeared to a neighbor (genuine he was owed money) and the other ones sadly were dispatched. TAG made a nuisance dumping waste and cutting gates for a couple of months but his life was as chaotic as youd expect and he disappeared -

the longer you leave it the worse it will become - you will be held by Trading S to be liable for the welfare, because your the soft easy target - a man like you describe is not easy to deal with so the public sector default of target the good man comes into play. Furthermore the longer it goes on the more opportunities for convoluting excuses come into play. act hard and fast.

If you have to dont be afraid to go away for the weekend somewhere with cctv and have a nice weekend with the family, while someone sorts it out honourably.



To be fair though this experience has got me over 3/4 of the land i farm now. a good reputation from it means i get offered land with trouble - houses for neighbours, footpaths, horsey types no leaving - once you get the reputation for doing things quick and decisively your problems tend to go.