Boris.

JP1 · Nov 23, 2021

Ceri said:
I watched the speech.... What a total embarrassment, Peppa pig..........? I mean wtf...... I don't know what else to say. It's a sad state of affairs atm in the UK to think he's our Pm. Personally I don't think he will make the next election, he'll be replaced (sacked) before then, like he's been from pretty much every other job he's had.

Not as embarrassing as the Marr "sorry to say the pigs were going to die anyway" and the follow up interview with Tom Newton-Dunn where his spontaneous response when challenged was to repeatedly ask Tom when was the last time he had a bacon sandwich. Tom should have rounded on him and asked him that tbh.

Despicable slime ball and utter utter contempt for what farmers are about

Sonoftheheir · Nov 23, 2021

Happy said:
Don’t get what all the fuss is about him.
What has he actually done since he appeared other than handing out loads of money much of which was claimed fraudulently that he’ll never see back?

I could just says he’s BAME.

But there’s a bit more to it than that, not sure if the conservative faithful would back him though?

melted welly · Nov 23, 2021

Hindsight said:
The Peppa Pig reference was not nonsense at all. In the context of the setting (CBI) and the actual reference in the speech the analogy and story was very relevant and appertain.

Think he could’ve chosen something better than a cartoon given the setting. Artificial Intelligence, gaming,

Easedoff · Nov 23, 2021

Man's a genius.
What is Stammer going to forensically question him on tomorrow?
Peppa Pig or something of less relevance?

jondear · Nov 23, 2021

Hilly said:
He’s a terrible politician in my book , Nicola sturgeon is the best in the U.K. at the moment she just works for the wrong team for me .

I was being sarcastic!

linga · Nov 23, 2021

farmerm said:
When plumbers and lorry drivers who do no have to public the commitments, public fame and scrutiny can earn more than an MP..... The truth is we pay MP's peanuts compared to what other London professionals can earn. Paying peanuts gives us either monkeys or those who already have means and are driven by their own personal agenda rather than what is in the best interest for those they serve.

MPs should be paid what they are worth. Accordingly I look forward to the day when their pay is reduced

Hfd Cattle · Nov 23, 2021

BrianV said:
Like him or not Labour with Andy Burham in charge would walk the next election!

He would . However he is a long way from it . He would have to get elected to Parliament first . That means either a by election in a safe Labour seat and they could parachute him in or wait till a general election and give him a safe seat ....but .... if you were in a safe seat at a general election would you move aside to allow someone else in .
Therefore he will have to hope that a 'safe seat' MP is retiring at next GE .

JP1 · Nov 23, 2021

linga said:
MPs should be paid what they are worth. Accordingly I look forward to the day when their pay is reduced

Copied from three previous postings

I say again they should double (or even treble MP's salaries) BUT

1. Illegal to financially benefit in any other way (professional on-going practice permitted, it's the earnings / conflicts of interest that's the problem)
2. Halve the number of MP's and give a proper exec support staff instead
3. Holidays become 20 days plus public holidays
4. None of the above candidate option on all ballot papers. If NOTB candidate polls most , constant by-election until another candidate is voted in. 10 years of what they would view as Brexit like chaos but my word that would sort the job out

Hfd Cattle · Nov 23, 2021

The Herefordshire MP Jesse NORMAN is an extremely capable man and works hard for his constituency. He was climbing up the pole in this gvt until he started to question some of the ways that Boris was going ( so I'm led to believe) and was just as quickly demoted.
It may take someone like him ,who is relatively unknown, to come forward and make a challenge ........
I would much rather the Tories sort it out now rather than go from cockup to cockup and eventually let Labour in .

Exfarmer · Nov 23, 2021

Lowland1 said:
Priti Patel will be the next Conservative leader prepared to be scared….. very scared.

Is that because you know what ladies of that type are like,

This is most definitely not intended to be racist!

ollie989898 · Nov 23, 2021

JP1 said:
Copied from three previous postings

I say again they should double (or even treble MP's salaries) BUT

1. Illegal to financially benefit in any other way (professional on-going practice permitted, it's the earnings / conflicts of interest that's the problem)
2. Halve the number of MP's and give a proper exec support staff instead
3. Holidays become 20 days plus public holidays
4. None of the above candidate option on all ballot papers. If NOTB candidate polls most , constant by-election until another candidate is voted in. 10 years of what they would view as Brexit like chaos but my word that would sort the job out

Fudging do this.

Also, any MP found guilty of unprofessional conduct, or a crime or anything of the sort, lose his seat immediately and the person who got the next greatest number of votes to be given it. Soon sort any dodgy conduct this would.

delilah · Nov 23, 2021

Hindsight said:
That was more the illiteracy of the general electorate in the UK. The Libs managed to get the Tory b'stds to run the AV referendum. AV is not PR but it was the only compromise. But the general electorate just could not understand what it was all about. So the general electorate continue to reap what they sow. Christ there was only a 42% tunrout. Sad, sad day in 2011. Led to everything since.

Absolutely. It was hugely frustrating for the Green Party and the other weirdo parties that the once in a generation opportunity to see change was wasted.

BrianV · Nov 23, 2021

Hfd Cattle said:
He would . However he is a long way from it . He would have to get elected to Parliament first . That means either a by election in a safe Labour seat and they could parachute him in or wait till a general election and give him a safe seat ....but .... if you were in a safe seat at a general election would you move aside to allow someone else in .
Therefore he will have to hope that a 'safe seat' MP is retiring at next GE .

I don't think Labour have any serious interest in winning the next election much preferring to let the Tories stew in the mess that are making & then come to the "rescue" later, if they had Starmer would be long gone & then give a replacement time to settle in.

toquark · Nov 23, 2021

I think there are plenty of decent, well motivated MPs on both sides of the house, but the trouble is their respective parties keep them firmly on the back benches without a chance of getting their hands on the levers of power.

This is compounded by a dreadful public sector which needs rapid and wide ranging reform. I'd start with the civil service and the universities which feed it, severely limiting the size and scope of both and diversify the kinds of people entering them. Then whoever is in power might stand half a chance of actually getting something done.

Currently its just a depressing, dysfunctional groundhog day.

Lowland1 · Nov 23, 2021

Exfarmer said:
Is that because you know what ladies of that type are like,
This is most definitely not intended to be racist!

Absolutely. I do as I’m told.but it’s working well so it could be transferable to the UK as a whole.

linga · Nov 23, 2021

JP1 said:
Copied from three previous postings

I say again they should double (or even treble MP's salaries) BUT

1. Illegal to financially benefit in any other way (professional on-going practice permitted, it's the earnings / conflicts of interest that's the problem)
2. Halve the number of MP's and give a proper exec support staff instead
3. Holidays become 20 days plus public holidays
4. None of the above candidate option on all ballot papers. If NOTB candidate polls most , constant by-election until another candidate is voted in. 10 years of what they would view as Brexit like chaos but my word that would sort the job out

Are we troubled by incompetent politicians because they are not paid enough or is it just that they are incompetent.
increasing their salary may just lead to incompetent politicians on a higher salary.
Their pay should be directly related to how good a job they do. ( how that is determined is another matter of course )
I agree with your suggestions though generally.

JP1 · Nov 23, 2021

linga said:
Are we troubled by incompetent politicians because they are not paid enough or is it just that they are incompetent.
increasing their salary may just lead to incompetent politicians on a higher salary.
Their pay should be directly related to how good a job they do. ( how that is determined is another matter of course )
I agree with your suggestions though generally.

I guess we agree however my point in my post was that to afford to pay MP's more, we should halve their number, get genuine competition from competent candidates and without the constraints of political parties manipulating things so easily. NOTB would probably cause Italian style chaos for a few years but it's my firm belief that the electors have a better chance of rejecting a plant from the usually winning party in a constituency or just a incompetent under the First Past The Post system and electoral boundary changes as we now have it. I also think a good strong candidate would be more difficult to whip on contentious / marginal issues . Maybe I could even get more than a donkey with a blue rosette as my MP (Jo Churchill voted down the Parrish Amendment in the Agriculture Bill for a start)

john 650 · Nov 23, 2021

BrianV said:
I think Cummings got a really bum rap over that, at a time when people especially in London were dying like flies of the virus with a disabled child he decided to take his family out of soulless London to his parents farm, who amongst us wouldn’t have considered doing the same?

But it was the policy he'd been in no small part responsible for, that made exactly the journey he took illegal.

I'm sure there's plenty of other "plebs" who would have loved to have escaped to Northumberland away from infested tubes, but A- weren't privileged enough to do so, and B- chose to abide by the rules Cummings set, and helped to communicate/implement.

john 650 · Nov 23, 2021

linga said:
Are we troubled by incompetent politicians because they are not paid enough or is it just that they are incompetent.
increasing their salary may just lead to incompetent politicians on a higher salary.
Their pay should be directly related to how good a job they do. ( how that is determined is another matter of course )
I agree with your suggestions though generally.

There's a lot of good politicians in our country, and much to be proud of in our democracy.

Trouble is with Front bench tories- they're led by a "populist" PM, who's got to where he is because he's a bit of a character.... Much the same with that idiot Rees Mogg.

The rest of the cabinet's first priority on their Job description, was that they were pro Brexit, ruling out alot of great politicians, with some good experience- and pretty much any former front bencher.

The second priority on their job description, was that they don't upstage BJ- so he (or Cummins at least) hand picked ambitious, and by their nature, morally defunct, sub-optimal idiots who can recite a sound bite, and little else.

Meanwhile, the opposition are too busy tearing themselves apart to have any clue about what they can achieve. Raynor just undermines Starmer at any chance she gets, chucking unhelpful insults about, and the BBC love rolling out the likes of that dinosaur John McDonald, and Dianne Abbott, because at least they get a laugh. Abbott was on Newsnight last night claiming a wave machine was considered as govt policy to stop migrants crossing the channel- even Spitting Image wouldn't have thought that up....

We had the chance of Rory Stewart, and Jess Phillips as leaders on opposite sides of the house.. We ended up with this lot...

JP1 · Nov 23, 2021

john 650 said:
There's a lot of good politicians in our country, and much to be proud of in our democracy.

Trouble is with Front bench tories- they're led by a "populist" PM, who's got to where he is because he's a bit of a character.... Much the same with that idiot Rees Mogg.

The rest of the cabinet's first priority on their Job description, was that they were pro Brexit, ruling out alot of great politicians, with some good experience- and pretty much any former front bencher.

The second priority on their job description, was that they don't upstage BJ- so he (or Cummins at least) hand picked ambitious, and by their nature, morally defunct, sub-optimal idiots who can recite a sound bite, and little else.

Meanwhile, the opposition are too busy tearing themselves apart to have any clue about what they can achieve. Raynor just undermines Starmer at any chance she gets, chucking unhelpful insults about, and the BBC love rolling out the likes of that dinosaur John McDonald, and Dianne Abbott, because at least they get a laugh. Abbott was on Newsnight last night claiming a wave machine was considered as govt policy to stop migrants crossing the channel- even Spitting Image wouldn't have thought that up....

We had the chance of Rory Stewart, and Jess Phillips as leaders on opposite sides of the house.. We ended up with this lot...

There are some good politicians about; sadly the older I get the more I see that they are mostly no longer with us or in position

The local BBC News programme (half an hour) was dedicated to the Late Sir David Amess's funeral service in his constituency yesterday. His burial service with the politicos will be today.

What was clear was just how loved and respected he was by his constituents. There was a lady who lived down the road from his constituency office and despite every election her placing a huge Lib Dem placard up, he still popped round for a chat / cuppa.

I don't actually think Starmer is a bad opposition Leader

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