To mask up or not?

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primmiemoo

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Cheesehead said:
Please don't I've only just been able to start drinking tea again after years of the disturbing sight of one of my siblings standing over a sink with what looked like a tea pot stuck up one nostril with the contents pouring out the other nostril 🤢
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Netti pot or something like it? There's an advert doing the rounds for a spray up the schnozz version using seawater. It could be misinterpreted as a suggestion that saline sluices fend off lurgies other than common colds, but who knows?
 
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BrianV

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PERCENT positivity rate 'scary' - but 87% of those hospitalised are unvaccinated​

Covid cases in South Africa SOAR 403% in a week after scientists raised alarm about
South Africa's leading virologist Tulio de Oliveira described the surge in infections as 'scary' as he urged the public to get vaccinated and use face masks. In the space of two weeks, the Omicron variant has sent South Africa from a period of low transmission to rapid growth of new confirmed cases (main) . More than ten per cent of those tested for Covid across South Africa have tested positive, official data showed, as 4,473 cases were recorded on Tuesday - an increase of 92 per cent compared to the day before. But scientists in the country have warned that the vast majority of people who end up being hospitalised with the Omicron variant are unvaccinated. A total of 42,664 tests were conducted in the last 24 hours, with 4,373 new cases reported, data from The National Institute for Communicable Diseases (NICD) in South Africa revealed. That is a 92 per cent increase compared to the 2,273 cases recorded on Monday. The number infections represents a 10.2 per cent positivity rate, which is the percentage of those tested who are infected with the virus. While numbers of confirmed cases are still relatively low, they have been increasing at a high rate. The new spike started after some student parties in Pretoria. Numbers quickly jumped from a few hundred cases a day to thousands. The NICD said that Covid cases, including that of the Omicron varient, were highest in the province of Gauteng - in particular in the city of Pretoria. Doctors have warned that the unvaccinated are much more likely to end up in hospital if they are infected with the new variant, with 87% of admissions being patients who have not been jabbed. Pictured top right, bottom right: people get tested for Covid in South Africa)
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Maybe a quick jab might not be such a bad idea?
 
Daddy Pig

Daddy Pig

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SilliamWhale said:
Apparently Wales and Scotland would have had much higher rates of death if we took the masks off....53% higher.

Seems unlikely doesn't it?
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I think your maths may be wrong here, as an example if there were to be 100 death without masks but a 53% reduction with masks that would reduce deaths to 47
this means death rates would have more than doubled from 47 up to 100 if the masks had been taken off.
 
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BrianV

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Daddy Pig said:
Went into local chippy tonight and was told in no uncertain terms that I had to wear a mask by the dragon behind the counter. So where's your mask then I replied. I'm exempt she said yet she was the one breathing over all the food not me.
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But then you see Tory prats in parliament today without masks yet telling everyone else to wear one, is it any wonder people are confused, if one MP in parliament today goes down with the new variant can we then expect all MPs to isolate at home, like we would notice the difference!
 
Daddy Pig

Daddy Pig

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BrianV said:
But then you see Tory prats in parliament today without masks yet telling everyone else to wear one, is it any wonder people are confused, if one MP in parliament today goes down with the new variant can we then expect all MPs to isolate at home, like we would notice the difference!
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Not just toys, as was pointed out today on the radio Labour mp's all mask up when in front of the cameras but beheave very differently behind the scenes
 
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Charlie Gill

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tepapa said:
I'm sure I was getting some dirty looks in the supermarket tonight for not wearing a mask 😬🙄.
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SilliamWhale

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89% of covid cases for over 60's for the fully vaccinated
3.4% unvaccinated

Its not the unvaccinated driving this. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see after the vaccine wears off that people end up slightly more vulnerable hence the drive for continual jabbing.

This is all fine of course as long as people are not mandated into being jabbed and it remains a choice rather than a coercion, rather than vax shaming the unvaccinated (especially children and teens who really don't need this)
 
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BrianV

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SilliamWhale said:

89% of covid cases for over 60's for the fully vaccinated
3.4% unvaccinated

Its not the unvaccinated driving this. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see after the vaccine wears off that people end up slightly more vulnerable hence the drive for continual jabbing.

This is all fine of course as long as people are not mandated into being jabbed and it remains a choice rather than a coercion, rather than vax shaming the unvaccinated (especially children and teens who really don't need this)
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Not sure you are doing anyone any favours putting misleading figures like this on here, it's a personal choice whether you risk living with the virus without being vaccinated or not but if you persuade someone not to get vaccinated & they subsequently die you take on a whole lot of responsibility!
 
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SilliamWhale

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BrianV said:
Not sure you are doing anyone any favours putting misleading figures like this on here, it's a personal choice whether you risk living with the virus without being vaccinated or not but if you persuade someone not to get vaccinated & they subsequently die you take on a whole lot of responsibility!
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Why is it misleading? Its data.

I'm not saying people shouldn't get vaccinated, I am vaccinated. I'm saying you should not be discriminating against people who don't want to get vaccinated for whatever reason (or statistically do not need it - like people under 30)

You say its personal choice but its getting less so with the advent of vaccine passports etc which do nothing about the virus. I don't think its ethical at all. EU is suggesting mandatory vaccinations.
 
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Raider112

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SilliamWhale said:
Why is it misleading? Its data.

I'm not saying people shouldn't get vaccinated, I am vaccinated. I'm saying you should not be discriminating against people who don't want to get vaccinated for whatever reason (or statistically do not need it - like people under 30)

You say its personal choice but its getting less so with the advent of vaccine passports etc which do nothing about the virus. I don't think its ethical at all.
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I would say it's misleading as it only covers one age group. You will probably have those figures in reverse if you take the under 20s
 
Mr Mackay

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SilliamWhale said:
Why is it misleading? Its data.

I'm not saying people shouldn't get vaccinated, I am vaccinated. I'm saying you should not be discriminating against people who don't want to get vaccinated for whatever reason (or statistically do not need it - like people under 30)

You say its personal choice but its getting less so with the advent of vaccine passports etc which do nothing about the virus. I don't think its ethical at all.
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It's not data you speculating about people who have already been vaccinated being More at risk from Covid than those that haven't.
It's plain bull
 
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BrianV

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SilliamWhale said:
Why is it misleading? Its data.

I'm not saying people shouldn't get vaccinated, I am vaccinated. I'm saying you should not be discriminating against people who don't want to get vaccinated for whatever reason (or statistically do not need it - like people under 30)

You say its personal choice but its getting less so with the advent of vaccine passports etc which do nothing about the virus. I don't think its ethical at all. EU is suggesting mandatory vaccinations.
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I think the number of cases in any particular group is pretty much irrelevant, it's the number of people that end up in hospital or on the mortuary slab that interests most people!
 
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