Excellent article about vegans getting ill.

Likewise, I think many people think 'rewilding' will produce a beautiful parkland with nature bobbing around like Disney's Snow White. This may happen in some areas but there could be a huge range of unintended consequences.
There are plenty of complaints to the council about small derelict sites now. I'm not sure how people will react to being surrounded by acres of 'mess'.
Our tourist industry is a cornerstone of the economy in any rural area. The fact that the entire countryside that draws the visitors is as artificial as the High Street thanks to thousands of years of animal husbandry seems to pass these people by.
 

britt

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A woman that I've known for over 20 years was a vegetarian in her teens and early 20s.
She started eating meat when she got married and wanted to have children as she understood the need for good nutrition.
As the children started to grow up she went back to being vegetarian, she cooks meat for the rest of the families meals.
After a few years she got ill and the doctors told her in no uncertain terms that she needed a better diet, which she did.
She is now much better, but has permanently lost the sight in one eye, and nearly lost the other, which is poor. She is now reclusive.
Her husband blames all the vegan extremist stuff that she reads on the internet, trying to get a sufficient diet, but being mislead.
 

britishblue

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As in my earlier post about the woman who had 3 kids post eating meat. I never mentioned it in original post but seeing how this thread has developed I was led to believe she had been a Commonwealth Games runner!
 

Ted M

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Actually if you look at a list of athletes who claim they are vegan there is only a couple I recognise, being Djokovic and Hamilton. However all, take all manner of supplements to ensure they are at the top of the game. Many it is known have taken other more dubious ones before getting to the top such as growth hormones and it is amazing how many are asthmatic so require the "necessary" medication
Hamilton is one of the biggest hypocrites on the planet.
Being on a plant based diet while partaking in one of the most carbon intensive circuses going, (and I am an F1 fan) and lecturing others over their diet while he can more than afford the expensive supplements and nutrition support being the multi millionaire elite sportsman that he is.
Whilst you cannot deny his talent behind the wheel I cannot help but feel he is all noise and posturing who's number one concern is Lewis Hamilton. He is merely the poster boy for the oil and chemical industries who line his pockets
 

unlacedgecko

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Hamilton is one of the biggest hypocrites on the planet.
Being on a plant based diet while partaking in one of the most carbon intensive circuses going, (and I am an F1 fan) and lecturing others over their diet while he can more than afford the expensive supplements and nutrition support being the multi millionaire elite sportsman that he is.
Whilst you cannot deny his talent behind the wheel I cannot help but feel he is all noise and posturing who's number one concern is Lewis Hamilton. He is merely the poster boy for the oil and chemical industries who line his pockets
He's an absolute cock.
 

SteveHants

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Likewise, I think many people think 'rewilding' will produce a beautiful parkland with nature bobbing around like Disney's Snow White. This may happen in some areas but there could be a huge range of unintended consequences.
There are plenty of complaints to the council about small derelict sites now. I'm not sure how people will react to being surrounded by acres of 'mess'.
Or this: https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ment-backfires-as-thousands-of-animals-starve
 

TheTallGuy

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Hamilton is one of the biggest hypocrites on the planet.
Being on a plant based diet while partaking in one of the most carbon intensive circuses going, (and I am an F1 fan) and lecturing others over their diet while he can more than afford the expensive supplements and nutrition support being the multi millionaire elite sportsman that he is.
Whilst you cannot deny his talent behind the wheel I cannot help but feel he is all noise and posturing who's number one concern is Lewis Hamilton. He is merely the poster boy for the oil and chemical industries who line his pockets
Likewise with his stance on the Kingspan issue - if he truly felt solidarity with those who blame Grenfell on Kingspan then he would refuse to drive a car with their advertising on, but the reality is that it would cost him a lot of money...
 

br jones

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Likewise with his stance on the Kingspan issue - if he truly felt solidarity with those who blame Grenfell on Kingspan then he would refuse to drive a car with their advertising on, but the reality is that it would cost him a lot of money...
Thats kingspan who sell all the renewable stuff ?
Naff all to do with Hamilton,
 

Ffermer Bach

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Our tourist industry is a cornerstone of the economy in any rural area. The fact that the entire countryside that draws the visitors is as artificial as the High Street thanks to thousands of years of animal husbandry seems to pass these people by.
that is because they don't realise that the countryside is managed, in just the same way that the majority think that rewilding is abandoning
 

Ffermer Bach

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That's an absolute crime. My Dutch hunting friends are appalled and disgusted.

Wild herbivore populations boom and bust according to food source and predation. This is well known and extensively studied. There is no scientific benefit to Oostervasplasen.
maybe for it to work properly they need apex predators there too? Mind you, the way Wolves are spreading over Europe they soon will have I expect.
 

unlacedgecko

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maybe for it to work properly they need apex predators there too? Mind you, the way Wolves are spreading over Europe they soon will have I expect.
Yes it requires predation of some kind, whether that be wild carnivores or humans with rifles/dogs.

However, if wolves are to be used in an enclosed area the population must be large enough to prevent inbreeding depression, otherwise they will die out a la Isle Royale.
 

Ffermer Bach

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Yes it requires predation of some kind, whether that be wild carnivores or humans with rifles/dogs.

However, if wolves are to be used in an enclosed area the population must be large enough to prevent inbreeding depression, otherwise they will die out a la Isle Royale.
my personal answer to the rewilding thing is, High Intensity Mob grazing, with cattle/sheep and we move the mobs regularly, all the wildlife benefits with food produced too, and keeping a rural infrastructure, win win in my book. If the government want to do anything, give grants for electric collars and fenceless grazing systems. In fact in British Airways want to sequester carbon, they would be better off buying collars etc and giving them to farmers who would use them!
 

essexpete

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The inflammation thing has been widely denounced by Medical bodies as being nonsense.
It kind of came tonn by prominence through gamechangers, and then Tom Brady spoke about it. It’s rubbish
I know of someone local to me who reckons he feels 100% better re arthritic pains since becoming a vegan. Late 50s , and he looks fit and well on it. He did mention that he had retired from a fairly physical job about 2 years ago so I did wonder whether the retirement and easier life had any bearing. The trouble is he and his missus are so evangelical about the whole business. Wife particularly, describing honey as ''bee sick'' ffs.
 

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