Concerned about Red Tractor collapse.
- Thread starter traineefarmer
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Goweresque
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- North Wilts
If every buyer of UK produce has its own scheme then there will be a market for assurance, they will be competing for suppliers. Mill A needs suppliers that meet its requirements, it will have to attract enough that sign up to that standard, otherwise it faces possibly running out of supplies. Thus in order to guarantee its supplies it will either have to offer a premium price, or lower regulatory standards to attract them from Mill B's scheme. As opposed to RT whereby it gets the standards for free because the growers have nowhere else to go.
Its to farmers advantage for there to be multiple competing assurance standards, mills and processors cannot have all farmers as potential suppliers as they can with RT (and thus each farmer is competing purely against his neighbour on price). So there is competition on both sides, farmers on price, processors on price and the severity of their standards. The RT monopoly benefits only the processors, thats why they are fighting so hard to keep it a monopoly.
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- Mendips Somerset
doesnt mean much , have a friend who worked for a childrens charity , had a few mill to get rid off end of one financial year (non profit) so they had all directors offices done in oak paneling pdq .
ollie989898
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I'm glad I am not alone in my thinking.
spin cycle
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- north norfolk
''uk standard produce certified' .....the same standard for home produce and imported....job done
yellow belly
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- south west lincolnshire
Rt has over 1 million in the bank so the loss is 250000 in funding will not sink them unless they do nothing about the loss of income
cereal grains that go to ethanol need to be proven sustainable source
if this was only available from the merchant that supplies them then the merchant would have suppliers over a barrel
supermarkets will also need a system of checking farms
they have a system for checking their own supermarkets which each manager has to comply with
spot inspections when their reputation is on the line the inspectors are strict on adherence
we may find that with out red tractor the inspection companies out source to the merchants and super markets with the farmer paying to be on the approved supplier list ( super markets already use this type of system with suppliers )
cereal grains that go to ethanol need to be proven sustainable source
if this was only available from the merchant that supplies them then the merchant would have suppliers over a barrel
supermarkets will also need a system of checking farms
they have a system for checking their own supermarkets which each manager has to comply with
spot inspections when their reputation is on the line the inspectors are strict on adherence
we may find that with out red tractor the inspection companies out source to the merchants and super markets with the farmer paying to be on the approved supplier list ( super markets already use this type of system with suppliers )
spin cycle
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- Location
- north norfolk
i've gotta feeling that in 12 months the supermarkets won't give a toss where produce comes from...they'll just be grateful to get it as there'll be feck all food about anyway
here's hoping anyway
here's hoping anyway
- Location
- Bedfordshire
Perhaps what I should have written is: 'Careful what you wish for'.
Pastures are not always greener the other side of the fence.
Pastures are not always greener the other side of the fence.
spin cycle
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- north norfolk
do take your point....but what was 'broke' with british ag before rt?.....just looking at your signature
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warksfarmer
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When it comes to the corrupt RT scheme the pasture is much greener.
It was set up by our so called union to extract more money from the industry. It’s never offered any traceability within the food chain because so much imported produce comes into the country and is either mixed into U.K. assured piles of crops or imported produce is fed to RT U.K. assured animals which are then slaughtered for human consumption.
And as for the RT rules, all they are doing is making us pay for what’s already law such as sprayer mot. Why should we pay them when we have to do it for law. RT didn’t write the law and they are not a government body. They are a privately owned company who has slotted itself between the farmer and buyer.
U.K. law is our assurance. There is no need for anything else. The millers, meat processors and ultimately the supermarkets will have to buy from us without any scheme otherwise they won’t have anything to sell. We’ve got them over a barrel and they should be engaging with us now to smooth the transition that’s coming. If they don’t then they can wait for the imports to arrive and guess what ……… that’s not assured either but isn’t produced to U.K. law so is in fact unsafe for human consumption due to the pesticides and animal meds used abroad which are banned in this country.
- Location
- Essex
Supermarkets aren't going to start doing farm inspections for cereals, they are already buying imports without any checks or farm assurance. Farmers are only getting world prices for their grain. So charging to take it away isn't going to work.
Ah yes never thought of that.
but if that’s the case with dead tractor it demonstrates even more clearly that there not competent to be let loose with our money
As a consumer I appreciate that RT sets standards to try and prevent me from eating rat urine and droppings in my muesli.
As a producer I don’t have the time to humour the idiocy of someone trying to justify their wages at RT, because they have to be seen to introduce some new ‘progressive’ regulation every year. ‘Mass balance’ showed that they don’t have a clue, or a care in the world that they might be wasting farmers time or burning bridges.
That would be a real surprise I have to say....
I suspect the next Prez (in waiting0 and upper echelons would veto that PDQ.
I await the legal action from RT in the New Year....
But WTH would we want Oz oats... ??? Bizarre.
- Location
- south norfolk
You can guess where that is coming from,us
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tullah
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- Location
- Linconshire
Now with the demise of RT in sight, if I was them I would delay auditing farmers as the first inkling of an inspection could be met with the reply...
Thanks, but Im leaving so dont need one. All good for quickly finishing them off.
Thanks, but Im leaving so dont need one. All good for quickly finishing them off.
- Location
- Devon
It is a good question.
Firstly, the AHDB withdrawing their funding shouldn't have a major impact on UK ag as they [AHDB] can still use that money to promote UK produce directly.
It will further undermine RT's current position.
But there current position is completely unsustainable. Driving for ever higher standards for no extra return is financially suicidal.
In practice, RT will have to decide to become a cheap, basic assurance of meeting legal requirements or a premium scheme with a premium for the producer.
If it doesn't do that it will be replaced by farmer or buyer schemes that will.
As such, I really can't imagine any disruption.
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Will Blackburn
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- Cheshire
Presumably none of the OSR oil out of Liverpool in November went into fuel?