warksfarmer
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They might well be but unless all the governments around the world own these drug companies then what’s the point? And even if they did once split up it’s hardly a big earner per country in the grand scheme of things.
Covid jab - is it compulsory?
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smallholder99
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governments dont own these drug companies, it looks more likely these companies are manipulating governments for their own benefit
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Exactly, you'll find a lot of people live in a different reality to the more popular one."invented by the WTO" and "phantom pandemic""Dr" Sam does not have an alternative view, rather she lives in an alternative reality, one that generates her a tidy youtube income.
It helps if you can see both sides of the story in this case, and it kills people to do that
farmerm
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There is only one reality, or at least only one in which present in our reality can occupy. Some people believe in the reality in which we live, others believe in something else.... Isac could have chosen not to believe in gravity yet the apple would have still fallen from the tree and clonked his head.
primmiemoo
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Some definitely take advantage of gaslighting where they can, so as to manipulate for their own ends.
farmerm
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A wise man knows to never let a crisis go to waste... It would be one thing to profit from supplying parachutes to those in peril trapped on the roof of a sky scraper, it would be quite something else to conspire with countless others to intentionally build the sky scraper, fill it with people and then set it on fire in order to profit from supplying parachutes, to increase "control" over the towers occupants and to depopulate it. There are many organisations profiting from Covid but, despite what some would have us believe, it is inconceivable that any one, or any conglomeration of them could have engineered the situation in which we find ourselves.
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You poor souls. I genuinely feel sorry for you and your "real reality"
primmiemoo
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Giddon with 'ee 
My present real reality involves a dead ram that cannot be convinced otherwise no matter how much I try to coax him
Happy New Year to you, and all on this thread! Let's hope for a much better collection of calendar months to come
farmerm
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Well we either we live in a reality in which Cov19 is a genuine pandemic, one that has caused the premature death of millions and in which governments and health orgnisations around the world have genuinely tried to minimise the death toll on their populations through support for development and roll out of effective and safe vaccines.... Alternatively we live in a reality where Cov19 is an entirely invented phenonomenon by some sinister secret super elite in order to impose new controls and inject us all with 5G nano microchips for tracking, controlling and depopulating..... A super elite of evil that are somehow able to manipulate the data, the science, most media and direct government interventions on a global scale.... which is your real reality?
I think you’ll find actual reality is never as straight forward as either of the above fantasies.
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My sister, who is a 'volunteer' covid jabber, has said it is difficult to get one nano chip into each injection from that 10 that are in every vial of 'vaccination'. Sometimes one person gets 3 nanochips and sometimes a member of the public gets none. That's why we have to all have 3 jabs so that so that the chances are we have at least one nano chip inside us. She has had special training in secretly scanning us all so that HM government know the serial number of each chip and who it was injected into. Obviously someone has misspelt 'covid' for 'covert' at some point so nobody is suspicious.
Really!!!
Obviously only the first 8 words are true.
Really!!!
Obviously only the first 8 words are true.
farmerm
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Well reality can never be completely and accurately documented in a few sentences can you, however one of those two fantasies must lie far closer to reality than the other. Either the primary driver of our Covid reality is an underlying intend to do good by countless individuals and organisations or it is primarily driven by an underlying intent to do harm by a select few.
Or it is primarily driven by fear. Why are you so keen to make things black or white? It over simplifies things greatly and is quite a lazy way of thinking.
farmerm
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I think we are at cross purposes here... my point is there are those who believe in the absolute nonsense that the whole pandemic and all the measures implemented around it are part of a pre-planned operation by some evil global super elite, either from within or with the power to steer, every government in every nation on the planet with none standing up to question it. I am quite aware there will of course be those taking or at least attempting to take advantage of the situation to forward their own agenda's, within power, politics and profits there are always many shades of grey. It is right and healthy to always be questioning, it is wrong and unhealthy to start from a position of absolute and immobile paranoia.
Mouser
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I agree with this but it's completely different to your previous post where you presented only 2 options. There's definitely something not right with the push for these vaccines for people at basically zero risk though.
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But how many are there that actually think this is all a conspiracy to implant microchips into everyone? Very few I would expect, it's just the extreme end of one arguement.
I'd think the majority of the, shall we call them 'non believers' are ones that question the response to the pandemic, that from the beginning showed to be harmful to mainly the elderly and infirm and locking down or injecting the population, inorder to save some citizens that were at risk, that wouldn't accept being told to look after themselves, was possibly a strange response.
And before I get lynched, please remember I'm just discussing the arguement for both sides not backing one side or the other.
farmerm
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Nobody is at zero risk. Until shown otherwise I do trust that the risk of harm from vaccination to those other 18 is less than the risk Covid poses. Equally I don't believe there is a case to vaccinate the under 18s as the benefit/risk ratio declines rapidly with age. The case for vaccination of those under 30 has in my opinion greatly weakened now that it appears vaccination may not significantly reduce transmission.
Occam,s razor usually rings true. It is a global pandemic that governments and medical science have tried to reduce the impact. It is a matter of opinion how well they have achieved that goal. I suppose we won’t know that for some time yet. It is quite clear that really all governments, from very liberal to absolutely brutal police states have responded in much the same fashion, not to “control” the population but to address the virus. It will change the World, that is true.
“The researchers found that while there were seven additional myocarditis events per million in the 28 days following COVID-19 infection (95% Confidence Interval (CI): 2, 11), there were 14 following an AstraZeneca second dose (CI: 8,17), 12 following a Pfizer second dose (CI: 1,7), 101 following a Moderna second dose (CI: 95,104), and 13 following a Pfizer third dose (CI: 7,15). These findings are depicted above. Most of these figures represent a doubling of the risk compared with infection. However, the Moderna second dose figure is a massive 14.4 times greater. The Moderna vaccine uses a similar mRNA technology to the Pfizer vaccine, but delivers a dose three times as large, which may partly explain the difference.”
Major Oxford Study into Vaccine Side-Effects Finds Myocarditis Risk in Younger Males Up to 14 Times Higher After Vaccination Than After Infection – The Daily Sceptic
A major study from the University of Oxford into risks of myocarditis following Covid vaccination has found the risk in males under 40 to be significantly higher than the risk of the condition following Covid infection.
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Neither - you came up with both of those possible options as "realities" based on what you think people must think, which is probably what the BBC or someone gave you.
what we actually know is that we don't know what we don't know, but we don't really have to think about that - because we have plenty of propaganda from "both sides"
we do know that it's perhaps just another coronvirus, albeit with different origins to the usual influenzas and colds
we don't know about "the millions of deaths" although media is keen to tell us that story...
What we do know today that we didn't, is that the PCR "covid test" is absolutely unfit for the purpose of diagnosing SARS-CoV 2, and that that's been used for the past years for exactly that purpose, despite that being known since the very beginning of the hysteria campaign.
This one bit of information changes your "reality" faster than seeing your mother wrapping your Christmas presents "From Santa", and if it doesn't, it's time to question why it doesn't.
I think the main "pandemic" is that humans are being discouraged from choosing (selecting freely after consideration) and encouraged to decide (select based on consideration) which kills off other possibilities. This is why it is so damnably difficult to get "a vegan" to see other possibilities about meat - they killed it
Well, that's what school taught us to be like, but this is weapons-grade schooling, in the middle of a psycological war.