play the gameSo if you've never collected BPS/SFI/etc. you'll get nothing. Very generous for being self sufficient and not relying on handouts!
Early exit scheme
- Thread starter Ramrod
- Start date
More reward for owning land --- disgusting is a vast understatementSo if you've never collected BPS/SFI/etc. you'll get nothing. Very generous for being self sufficient and not relying on handouts!
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Presumably he would be able to sell the entitlements instead in that case?
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Although if a tenant claims it on retirement, the land owner won't be seeing it at all.
Not that I think it's a good use of public money either.
My understanding of the information in the last consultation is that it wasn't about the land anymore, and more the individual. You could pay out Farmer A and then Farmer B would still be able to for the remainder of the BPS period. They were paying for this difference out of the stepped reduction in payments starting this year based on farm size. The details though aren't clear and that might all change
Hindsight
Member
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Your missing a word after able and before to, to make sense of your second sentence. I presume (one should never presume!) you are missing 'claim' ??
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Presumably the individual’s entitlements would be deactivated when he took the exit payment, so any new claimant on that land would need to acquire entitlements of their own, be that from new entrant schemes or the market?
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
It's not the game, it's the vermin that comes with it!
Yes and not only the individuals entitlements but any leased in from a n other- that may cause some anst. Hopefully the results of the consultation may amend this bit!
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
Anyone old enough to remember the Farms Amalgamation Scheme back in the 1970s? That seemed to work pretty well as I recall. Worked for plenty who wanted to get out of farming for whatever reason but especially for smaller farmers. But I wouldn't expect DEFRA to follow any example that actually worked!
midlandslad
Member
- Location
- Midlands
@Janet Hughes Defra
When can we expect a scheme to work towards. This hiatus is not helping anyone.
leaving the sector does not happen overnight and this is another scheme where too much has been promised and another case of under delivering.
At what point does DEFRA put their hands up and say they do not have the resources to implement this?
When can we expect a scheme to work towards. This hiatus is not helping anyone.
leaving the sector does not happen overnight and this is another scheme where too much has been promised and another case of under delivering.
At what point does DEFRA put their hands up and say they do not have the resources to implement this?
Bramble
Member
Also when is the Dairy Contract consultation going to report any findings/proposals?? Or have I missed it?
Goweresque
Member
- Location
- North Wilts
Yes according to Defra's current wording anyone on an FBT with leased in entitlements will (if they hold the entitlements on whatever date is the crucial one) will be able to take the lump sum and the entitlements will be annulled and the landlord loses all future payments, even if the tenancy was about to end.
But the wording of FBTs also makes it clear that the tenant must return the entitlements at the end of the tenancy so if a tenant took the lump sum and retired they would then presumably be very likely to be sued by the landlord for breach of the tenancy agreement.
Obviously it would be different for AHA tenants as they have always held the entitlements, and will hold them until the end of BPS if they continue farming, so the landlord in that situation could never have considered the entitlements were theirs. So in effect as regards to the retirement scheme an AHA tenant is in roughly the same position as a owner occupier.
We'll be publishing some information about this today - I'll share the information on a new thread shortly
On the dairy contract - we published the government's response to the consultation responses in February last year - we're now working up some regulations and plan to introduce legislation later this year, but there will be a period of adjustment before the legislation becomes enforceable - if you've got a particular interest in this, I'd be happy to introduce you to the policy officials working on it (they're not directly in my team but we work alongside each other) - dm me your details if that would be of interest.
@Janet Hughes Defra can you share what the success criteria are for the scheme? How many people are you expecting to take up the offer and how many new tenancies do you think will be created?
- Location
- East yorks
Reading the details you would have to be tapped in the head to take it based on a reasonable sized AHA if you have a good bit of life left in you.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I'll pass thanks.
- Location
- SG9
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