Red tractor warning.

Location
East Mids
I know betamox LA or pen strep is not expensive, but we might only use a few ml on calves for a respiratory or a swollen navel. We are getting to the stage of not buying any antibiotics by the bottle except if a vet is out to a sick cow. With a small herd with usually pretty good health status, we are wasting too much with the use by dates, let alone the 28 day ruling. Where it gets difficult is if you have a sick animal over a Sunday or bank hol Monday, one that you are perfectly able to diagnose and treat but if you haven't got the right meds there....

Metacam, not an antibiotic, is a classic example - scouring or pneumonia calf, difficult calving, downer, we would treat all these with metacam, but might only need it once every few months. If we get a syringe drawn off as a 'just in case' then the 28 days starts then, Even on a 50 ml bottle - which we can sometimes get - then 13 ml for a cow can leave you with a lot going to waste after 28 days. It's just getting ridiculous.
 

Top Tip.

Member
Location
highland
I was told at a meeting the other night that all antibiotic purchases are soon to have to be centrally recorded ,this is being insisted on by the EU as a condition of letting us trade with them. We were being told that it was to be a farmer requirement but there was massive pushback against this and it was felt that it was far more practical for the issuing vets to do the notifying.
 

Dragon

Member
Location
Cornwall
I was given a 250ml bottle of metacam at the vets last week as they had no 100s in. Will probably last most of the year. Going to get it in individual syringes is hardy going to be practical/cost effective either.
You maybe surprised how much less per ml a 250ml is, last time I checked it was less the 2 x 100ml bottles
 

mf7480

Member
Mixed Farmer
Agreed with above- the batch number can relate to many thousands of bottles, I can’t understand how he can enforce that it’s the same bottle?
 

An Gof

Member
Location
Cornwall
This is a backward step. By enforcing strictly this 28 day rule people will start being “creative” with their recording to get around it.
If you want full and proper traceability don’t push things too far. I keep a bottle of Zactran “on the go” and ready when rearing calves. Administering in good time can be critical to animal health. It is possible that a bottle may go over 28 days from first broach. Currently we buy in 100ml bottles. I’m not to keen on wasting say 75ml after 28 days. Job is getting mental.
 

jimmer

Member
Location
East Devon
Why are we as an industry being so badly represented by those that are in the same industry who sit on boards to apparently speak on our behalf
The fools on the Arla farmers board that allowed the calf debacle to be set over 40 days
The countless unnecessary and pedantic red tractor rules which must have been put before farmer and nfu delegates before being signed off
The farcical farming by dates and nationwide blanket ban on spreading slurry etc regardless of geography, topography, climate or crop need
Not to mention the Elms fiasco which, if there are farmers voices on the panel must be those from mahoosive farming conglomerates or sandal wearing inherited it all beard strokers






Sorry, I'm tired and grouchy, but I feel a little better now after a rant
 

Ducati899

Member
Location
north dorset
I guess it all depends on how picky the Inspector is,but it does say on most bottles to use within 28 days once broached,OH works at one of the largest most respected small animal referall units in the country and she said last night that the amount of drugs they have to dispose of because of this rule is quite something
 

Half Pipe

Member
Why is it set at 28days! surely different medicines will react very differently to ingress of air.
Probably biggest factor will be hygeine at this point, new needle every draw will be very different to a needle that's been used.
Is it a case of easier to stick 28days on label and it covers manufacturers back, will also save alot of testing at different stages after opening.
Bit like use by dates getting shorter saves them running tests at longer storage periods.
Its probably also better for sales targets !
 
I got pulled up for a barrel of peracetic acid being out of date. I was previously unaware that acid even had a use by date.

Pull the fudging date off. Acids don't go off unless they are diluted with something else or manage to corrode or attack the container they are stored in. In fact, some acids will get more concentrated over time if their water content was to evaporate?
 
Why is it set at 28days! surely different medicines will react very differently to ingress of air.
Probably biggest factor will be hygeine at this point, new needle every draw will be very different to a needle that's been used.
Is it a case of easier to stick 28days on label and it covers manufacturers back, will also save alot of testing at different stages after opening.
Bit like use by dates getting shorter saves them running tests at longer storage periods.
Its probably also better for sales targets !

It's like anything, drug makers won't warrant the stuff after 28 days being exposed to air probably.
 

Bald n Grumpy

Member
Livestock Farmer
Why do we have to take notice of manufacturers recommendations, winds me up when I have to change perfectly good liners for audit's because of recommendations from someone who makes more money by wasting resources and my hard earned£££.
Pretty sure all dairy chemicals have best before dates
 

yin ewe

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Co Antrim
I am wondering if you can sell milk that isn't RT assured, and if there is a price difference.

Our buyer in Northern Ireland won't lift milk unless you are RT. Started of giving a bonus for it to get people in, which after a few years became a penalty for not being in and eventually stopped lifting non RT altogether.
 

cull cows

Member
Got the call today for an RT inspection.

Only just had a different lot out a couple weeks ago, I do wonder if there's more inspectors than farms sometimes and how we let it happen.
Ive friends running business in other industries and they think it's barmy.
When was your last RT inspection?
 

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