Early exit scheme

silverfox said:

It’s been widely reported that it’s to be treated as Capital by HMRC . There is info out there if you look.
TFA have done a webinar which I’ve posted above .

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Its not that the tfa havnt done what is the governments job ,in an explanation , but the fact that a claimant should be able to sit down and study the actual facts and rules of the scheme in black and white and make an informed decision not based on someone elses opinion on what the rules mean .

beef 1 said:

Its not that the tfa havnt done what is the governments job ,in an explanation , but the fact that a claimant should be able to sit down and study the actual facts and rules of the scheme in black and white and make an informed decision not based on someone elses opinion on what the rules mean .

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Have you read the guidance?
What are your questions?

midlandslad said:

Have you read the guidance?
What are your questions?

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Where is the guidance that has been sent to claimants of BPS?

beef 1 said:

Where is the guidance that has been sent to claimants of BPS?

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It’s all online and you can email or ring up for a forecast of how much you would actually get.
Its 2.35x your average BPS claim over the 3 reference years.

midlandslad said:

Apply for a lump sum payment to leave or retire from farming

Information about the Lump Sum Exit Scheme and what you need to do.

www.gov.uk

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Where does it say what evidence is required of land exit , and where does it state how it will be represented in taxation ?

beef 1 said:

Where does it say what evidence is required of land exit , and where does it state how it will be represented in taxation ?

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And where does it state whether or not , the land in exit is re-useable by the incoming land occupant ?

silverfox said:

It’s all online and you can email or ring up for a forecast of how much you would actually get.
Its 2.35x your average BPS claim over the 3 reference years.

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And what about those not online , and its not rocket science to do the maths ! Especially if you keep sheep and they lamb at 2.35x . ( Unless some die in the mean time then the maths are out the window )

So if you had some big claims in 2020, then gave up land, that could be winner winner chicken dinner?

If any use to anyone!





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RETIREMENT LUMP SUM - MORE DETAIL - 6.4.22


As the dust settles on the RPA’s announcement on the specifics of the Lump Sum Exit Scheme, and with the regulations underpinning it now released this week, we have noted a few matters of specific detail that may become critical in how these schemes are handled.

Entitlements and the Retirement Lump Sum cap

This is one question that the release of the Agriculture (Lump Sum Payment) (England) Regulations 2022 (the Regulations) has enabled us to answer.

We know that if your Retirement Lump Sum claim would total more than the cap of £99,875, it will be reduced to £99,875. We also know that when you claim the Lump Sum, if you do not hand back as many entitlements as were used in your last claim in the reference period i.e. 2020-2022, the value of your Lump Sum claim will be reduced accordingly. In the event of a claim, which is subject to both of these, the order in which they are applied is important.

Consider a prospective retiree farming 500 acres of non-SDA land, all of which they claimed on in full over the reference period. This would entitle them to a Lump Sum payment, before the cap, of approximately £111,000 which is £11,125 over the cap. Let us say that instead of handing back the 202 entitlements used in their 2021 claim, they only give back 180. This is 89% of the amount used, so reduces their Lump Sum claim by 11%.

If this reduction were applied before capping, their £111,000 claim is reduced to £98,790, which is just under the cap, so the payment would not be reduced further. However, we now know that the cap is applied first, and then reductions from holding insufficient entitlements follow after. The £111,000 will first be reduced to £99,875 because of the cap, then by a further 11% to £88,889. The farm above would receive £88,889 rather than £99,875, a reduction of almost £11,000, from not having enough entitlements.

That means prospective retirees should ensure they can surrender as many entitlements as were used in their last claim during the reference period, even if they are above the £99,875 threshold. They may even need to buy more entitlements to enable this.

Entitlement leasing out and new purchases

The Retirement Lump Sum has had a marked impact on the entitlement market when combined with other factors such as the limitation of National Reserve applications this year and 2022’s inclusion in the reference period for delinkage. Specifically, demand for entitlements is currently very strong. This presents an opportunity for anyone with entitlements they are not using this year.

However, people wishing to claim the Lump Sum still need to have as many entitlements to surrender as they used in 2021. This may lead one to think that they simply cannot take advantage of the current “seller’s market” where prices are currently just under £200 per hectare for Non-SDA.

One way to take advantage of this might have been through leasing. If entitlements were leased out for this year only, they could in theory be returned in ample time for a 2023 surrender. However, we now know this will not work. The regulations make it clear that entitlements leased out after the 2021 claim year must still be surrendered if they are returned, but do not count towards the number of entitlements surrendered compared with the final claim during the reference period.

In other words, if a farmer claimed on 20 entitlements in 2021, leased out 10 of these in 2022, received them back in 2023 and then claimed the Retirement Lump Sum, they would see their Lump Sum claim reduced by 50%, unless they also purchased more entitlements from elsewhere.

A further question relates to short-term transfers between family members. It may be possible to transfer out both entitlements and land for the 2022 claim to, for example, the successor to the business. The successor then claims on the land with these “family entitlements” for 2022. Then they are returned to the prospective retiree for 2023. This would allow a “double dip” in which the same family takes advantage of both some delinkage and the Retirement Lump Sum. We do not yet know if this would necessarily be considered a “lease”, or if there is a way around the restrictions here. Businesses wishing to attempt an action like this should therefore make what preparations they can now, such as having tenancy documentation ready for any land involved in the arrangement.

Alternatively, a bolder landowner could perhaps bet on a weaker market next year (which we are expecting logically to be capped at something less than the £151 payment for the lowest Non-SDA claim tier) and sell their entitlements now at the current price of £195 for Non-SDA and hope to buy replacements at a cheaper price next year purely to surrender them. There is nothing in the Regulations preventing this, but the RPA have some further discretion on how the scheme is actually run, and they may try to limit such activity. It is difficult to see how such activity could fall foul of the artificiality rules. We have asked the RPA to clarify their position on this.

Entitlements as a capital loss

We know that the Retirement Lump Sum is to be taxed as capital, rather than income. We also know that to claim it entitlements must be surrendered. Entitlements will often have been purchased by the claimant, sometimes for significant sums of money. There therefore remains a question of tax: is the Lump Sum claim to be treated as a payment in exchange for the entitlements, so representing a capital gain in their value, meaning the acquisition price will not be taxed at this point, only the uplift relative to the initial payment? Alternatively, if the Lump Sum is taxed as a capital receipt, can the loss of the entitlements be offset against this?

Either way, an asset of some value in the form of entitlements is to be given up in order to claim the Lump Sum. It would be inequitable if this was not factored into its taxation.

There remain a number of important questions of fine detail in relation to the Retirement Lump Sum. Given the magnitude of the decision to retire, the lack of this information will make a difficult choice even harder.

Application Forms

The actual application forms, expected later this month, may answer these queries. This may give only a few weeks to make decisions about entitlements. Unless the RPA clarify the current queries in the meantime, many retirees may face dealing with their entitlements at the last minute before the window closes

Ramrod said:

@serf Can't find this on Townsend's site, could you supply a link, please. TIA.

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It was sent as email news letter , I just copy and pasted it .

beef 1 said:

And what about those not online , and its not rocket science to do the maths ! Especially if you keep sheep and they lamb at 2.35x . ( Unless some die in the mean time then the maths are out the window )

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Only trying to help .

Bit of a top up from above post, that is rather relevant , just got sent

ERRATUM - RETIREMENT LUMP SUM - MORE DETAIL - 6.4.22 10:00

The reference period for Retirement Lump Sum is 2019-2021 and not 2020-2022 as stated in our email earlier today.

silverfox said:

Only trying to help .

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Only trying to help myself !

cant see this scheme being taken up by many tenants unless specific circumstances come in to play e.g age ,illness, looming financial difficulties. Reckon my landlord who could only expect to get his land back after my demise or no followers would be happy to pay me several times the payment on offer to immediately double the possible sale value of his land houses and other infrastructure

serf said:

Bit of a top up from above post, that is rather relevant , just got sent

ERRATUM - RETIREMENT LUMP SUM - MORE DETAIL - 6.4.22 10:00

The reference period for Retirement Lump Sum is 2019-2021 and not 2020-2022 as stated in our email earlier today.

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Oh crumbs that's even better! Maybe I should retire.

Ramrod said:

If your thinking of getting out, nothing to stop you doing both??

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im not intending to "get out" but do the rules allow someone with succession to retire and the business move down the line ?