Marine Le Pen.

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
Listening to the news last night driving home at 10.30 a conservative MP was expressing concern the French may sleepwalk into a Trump Farage moment, electing Le Pen through electoral complacency. My the Russians and Chinese are effective autocrats. Democracy is such a delicate flower and only be flourishing for around 200 years at most. Naturally humans are tribal creatures and domination of a tribal leader is the accepted norm.
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
Sleepwalking into a Farage moment is a good thing. A very good thing indeed. Best thing to happen to the UK anyway.
It is interesting to note that no right wing extremist has ever threatened to hold high office in this country. There may be a number of reasons for this but we differ from France in being ruled by Monarchy rather than a President and our elecroral system is first past the post. I was once asked by a Japanese businessman if a leader in the mould of Hitler could achieve power in the UK. My simple off the cuff answer was no, because of the monarchy. I may have been wrong but on reflection maybe not.
The British psyche is also very different from the French.
 

caveman

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Location
East Sussex.
Listening to the news last night driving home at 10.30 a conservative MP was expressing concern the French may sleepwalk into a Trump Farage moment, electing Le Pen through electoral complacency. My the Russians and Chinese are effective autocrats. Democracy is such a delicate flower and only be flourishing for around 200 years at most. Naturally humans are tribal creatures and domination of a tribal leader is the accepted norm.
What a fekkwit statement to make by one who possibly owes his seat, but most definately owes the security of the Tory parties control to a "Farage moment"
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
It is interesting to note that no right wing extremist has ever threatened to hold high office in this country. There may be a number of reasons for this but we differ from France in being ruled by Monarchy rather than a President and our elecroral system is first past the post. I was once asked by a Japanese businessman if a leader in the mould of Hitler could achieve power in the UK. My simple off the cuff answer was no, because of the monarchy. I may have been wrong but on reflection maybe not.
The British psyche is also very different from the French.
I liked it because I don't know what the answer would be either. Probably as much down to luck and British apathy as anything. We have seen in the US, with a system similar to FPTP, how Trump inveigled his way into the Republican Party with his fascist mentors pushing him all the way. Victor Orban has achieved it, could Farage have done the same in the Conservative party who knows!
 

czechmate

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Mixed Farmer
Listening to the news last night driving home at 10.30 a conservative MP was expressing concern the French may sleepwalk into a Trump Farage moment, electing Le Pen through electoral complacency. My the Russians and Chinese are effective autocrats. Democracy is such a delicate flower and only be flourishing for around 200 years at most. Naturally humans are tribal creatures and domination of a tribal leader is the accepted norm.

the “normal” people share a concern about “complacency” and are encouraging the public to get out and vote 👍
 

Ashtree

Member
It is interesting to note that no right wing extremist has ever threatened to hold high office in this country. There may be a number of reasons for this but we differ from France in being ruled by Monarchy rather than a President and our elecroral system is first past the post. I was once asked by a Japanese businessman if a leader in the mould of Hitler could achieve power in the UK. My simple off the cuff answer was no, because of the monarchy. I may have been wrong but on reflection maybe not.
The British psyche is also very different from the French.
Your monarchy didn’t have very much to say or do when your PM prorogued Parliament, or when he bare faced lied to her. Maybe she had too much on her hands, spanking the wayward son, …..
 

Bokey

Member
Mixed Farmer
as you like.
Do you know the definition of “dictator”
It seems you do not🤔
Form of government in which one person or (a small group) possess power without effective constitutional limitations. If that doesn't sum up the EU I don't know what does
 

Danllan

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Location
Sir Gar / Carms
Listening to the news last night driving home at 10.30 a conservative MP was expressing concern the French may sleepwalk into a Trump Farage moment, electing Le Pen through electoral complacency. My the Russians and Chinese are effective autocrats. Democracy is such a delicate flower and only be flourishing for around 200 years at most. Naturally humans are tribal creatures and domination of a tribal leader is the accepted norm.
No chance, Melenchon's voters will nearly all go to Macron, and that's it sewn up.

It is interesting to note that no right wing extremist has ever threatened to hold high office in this country. There may be a number of reasons for this but we differ from France in being ruled by Monarchy rather than a President and our elecroral system is first past the post. I was once asked by a Japanese businessman if a leader in the mould of Hitler could achieve power in the UK. My simple off the cuff answer was no, because of the monarchy. I may have been wrong but on reflection maybe not.
The British psyche is also very different from the French.
Monarchy may have been / be one factor, though I think it a small one if so. More likely it's what could pejoratively be called the pigheadedness over here... 'You're telling me to do what...? F^ck off!'

I liked it because I don't know what the answer would be either. Probably as much down to luck and British apathy as anything. We have seen in the US, with a system similar to FPTP, how Trump inveigled his way into the Republican Party with his fascist mentors pushing him all the way. Victor Orban has achieved it, could Farage have done the same in the Conservative party who knows!
As above, but looking at history you can see a few chancers, and they never got anywhere; Joe Bloggs always started throwing rotten fruit at them, and it's hard to look dignified with tomatoes dripping off you.

The genuine extremes have never prospered here, and that's why people here use hyperbolic labels and call even mainstream politicians on either side 'extreme' right or left wing, because there isn't a proper reference for them. Neither the NF nor the Commies ever got anywhere here.
 

le bon paysan

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
Form of government in which one person or (a small group) possess power without effective constitutional limitations. If that doesn't sum up the EU I don't know what does
In the European Union, there are two sources of democratic legitimacy: the European Parliament, chosen by the electorates of the individual EU countries; and the Council of the European Union (the "Council of Ministers"), together with the European Council (of heads of national governments), that represent the peoples ...
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Bokey

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Mixed Farmer
In the European Union, there are two sources of democratic legitimacy: the European Parliament, chosen by the electorates of the individual EU countries; and the Council of the European Union (the "Council of Ministers"), together with the European Council (of heads of national governments), that represent the peoples ...
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Do you deem it a perfect system then?
 

Bokey

Member
Mixed Farmer
No such thing.
The EU works by consensus.
Did you bother reading it?
Yep read it definitely an democratic deficit if it was still the European coal and steel community or even the European economic community I got that it made sense but this bureaucratic micro management of the people's everyday life is madness
 

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