family succession and planning for the future? just wondering how many of you find this a positive experience and have any tips and advice for others?

Spuddler

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I do wonder what goes through the mind of an older relative,
Very recently have been given notice to leave my place in September. If I can’t find nowhere it means I’ve got to sell everything I have worked for. (I started from scratch) Get rid of my dogs as finding a rental to accept them is virtually non existent. Give up all my land tenancies.
Basically give up everything.
However my father who just lives a few miles away is living in an eight bedroom farmhouse, outbuildings falling apart, and he hardly goes outside, hardly accepts any help,very stubborn. always broke.

What annoys me most is other older fathers in the farming community have helped me out amazingly recently apart from my own.
This has been a very valuable lesson for me that I will never treat my children in the same way.
 

som farmer

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I do wonder what goes through the mind of an older relative,
Very recently have been given notice to leave my place in September. If I can’t find nowhere it means I’ve got to sell everything I have worked for. (I started from scratch) Get rid of my dogs as finding a rental to accept them is virtually non existent. Give up all my land tenancies.
Basically give up everything.
However my father who just lives a few miles away is living in an eight bedroom farmhouse, outbuildings falling apart, and he hardly goes outside, hardly accepts any help,very stubborn. always broke.

What annoys me most is other older fathers in the farming community have helped me out amazingly recently apart from my own.
This has been a very valuable lesson for me that I will never treat my children in the same way.
do as l say, but not as l do.
a very common action in farming. What it shows, is the older generation know what they should do, but most don't. Probably because they don't want to lose 'control', jealous of youth, they don't know how to leave it, if siblings involved, or sheer bloody cussednous.
On the last point, good friends lost the chance to take over a 3gen tenancy, because his daughters husband, said something he didn't like, couldn't have been much, they never fell out. One day he said, surrendered the tenancy.
Luckily they had other land, and own house, but that is the 'cussed' bit.
 

Overby

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The point above re jealousy of youth is a major issue , so many of the individuals creating all these nasty issues are jealous of others (in many ways, youth, personality, drive etc), their reaction is to play the hero...which is ironic as they just look like a bigger pillock than ever and leave a legacy of 'what a stupid, tragic old fool'.

Jealousy and insecurity behind most of these cases sadly.
 

eternal peter pan

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to the older generation, you are doing no favours to your next generation, its a simple thing, do you want them to continue, after you depart ? If you do, sought it out, otherwise your legacy, is likely to be split up, and the memories of you, will be very derogatory, is that how you would like to be remembered ?
To the next generation, get it sorted, or move on, the farming community is full of sons, who were promised, one day .............. That day is unlikely to happen, siblings will want their share, even if they have had nothing to do with the farm. It is far easier to move on, when you are younger, but by 40 ish, you are tied down with family, unsure what you could do, other than farming, so you are stuck. Just like l was.

The point above re jealousy of youth is a major issue , so many of the individuals creating all these nasty issues are jealous of others (in many ways, youth, personality, drive etc), their reaction is to play the hero...which is ironic as they just look like a bigger pillock than ever and leave a legacy of 'what a stupid, tragic old fool'.

Jealousy and insecurity behind most of these cases sadly.
do you think its jealousey....im not sure on that........could it be that the reality of ageing/illness etc is leading to resentment/insecurity/fear of the reality of getting old......A bit like a past there sell by date sports start or actor or model that no longer gets picked to play their sport or no more roles to act or no longer suitable to be a model ...This must be a massive mental health issue when they decline from their heyday .....in this instance the farmer usually cant do what they used to do .They arnt as switched on with the latest tech and evolution in farming processes .They are usuaslly totally resentfull of the latest rules that are imposed on them by all the schemes .They are being called out by those around them and this al leads to lashing out at those around them ....In most normal relationships they would normally train up those followingand cede responsability gradually untill eventually they just go around giveing there wise wisdom when its asked for ...This is the healthy way for sucession .Its the wont let go of anything ,people who have the issues ,that then cause grief for those around them............I cant see any change in this issue unless there where incentives to hand down....Money and tax being the major factor . If inheritance tax was zero at retirement age but then started increaseing after that age then there sure as hell would be a lot less succession problems as the accountants would be pushing for valid and workable plans formulated for the day retirement age was reached and not holding on for years / decades/dimensia or death that is happening all too frequently now
 

som farmer

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do you think its jealousey....im not sure on that........could it be that the reality of ageing/illness etc is leading to resentment/insecurity/fear of the reality of getting old......A bit like a past there sell by date sports start or actor or model that no longer gets picked to play their sport or no more roles to act or no longer suitable to be a model ...This must be a massive mental health issue when they decline from their heyday .....in this instance the farmer usually cant do what they used to do .They arnt as switched on with the latest tech and evolution in farming processes .They are usuaslly totally resentfull of the latest rules that are imposed on them by all the schemes .They are being called out by those around them and this al leads to lashing out at those around them ....In most normal relationships they would normally train up those followingand cede responsability gradually untill eventually they just go around giveing there wise wisdom when its asked for ...This is the healthy way for sucession .Its the wont let go of anything ,people who have the issues ,that then cause grief for those around them............I cant see any change in this issue unless there where incentives to hand down....Money and tax being the major factor . If inheritance tax was zero at retirement age but then started increaseing after that age then there sure as hell would be a lot less succession problems as the accountants would be pushing for valid and workable plans formulated for the day retirement age was reached and not holding on for years / decades/dimensia or death that is happening all too frequently now
jealousy of the younger generation coping, when they can't, yours is better and more fully put, its a massive problem though. And it is the next generation that gets hit, regardless of what has been 'promised'. If not sorted out properly.
 

Overby

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do you think its jealousey....im not sure on that........could it be that the reality of ageing/illness etc is leading to resentment/insecurity/fear of the reality of getting old......A bit like a past there sell by date sports start or actor or model that no longer gets picked to play their sport or no more roles to act or no longer suitable to be a model ...This must be a massive mental health issue when they decline from their heyday .....in this instance the farmer usually cant do what they used to do .They arnt as switched on with the latest tech and evolution in farming processes .They are usuaslly totally resentfull of the latest rules that are imposed on them by all the schemes .They are being called out by those around them and this al leads to lashing out at those around them ....In most normal relationships they would normally train up those followingand cede responsability gradually untill eventually they just go around giveing there wise wisdom when its asked for ...This is the healthy way for sucession .Its the wont let go of anything ,people who have the issues ,that then cause grief for those around them............I cant see any change in this issue unless there where incentives to hand down....Money and tax being the major factor . If inheritance tax was zero at retirement age but then started increaseing after that age then there sure as hell would be a lot less succession problems as the accountants would be pushing for valid and workable plans formulated for the day retirement age was reached and not holding on for years / decades/dimensia or death that is happening all too frequently now
Definitely personality issues / jealpusy. certainly from numerous instances I've seen. The ones who leave issues and create problems are generally the ones you'd file under 'd**kh**d' during their earlier lives...it's always there. Those who grow up and live their lives as kind and caring generally don't create these issues as they're secure enough to not need to behave like a a tragic pillock. Just my observations though.

Your old dog/young dog theory definitely has merit, and we all may suffer / experience this to some degree, but I'm talking about the spiteful / deluded / arrogant individuals who've had this simmering in them for years...of which there are many. The old dog / young dog can usually be reasoned with...and the young dog needs a kick up the arse if it's not showing the correct respect. but the stubborn old fool who will not listen and leaves a mess is far too common (2 neighbours currently doing this....despite even well meaning outsiders offering advice, one is going to bust his kids over pettiness...what can you do).
 
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