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I think it does. Having run pure Suffolk and Charollais flocks side by side, as well as using the same on crossbred ewes, the Charollais is clearly losing/has lost its easy lambing attributes. Due to breeders trying to turn the breed into a Texel.
The Charollais sired lambs always go over term and as a result have averaged 0.5Kg more at birth compared to the Suffolks.
And as the (UK) Suffolks are fine boned and selected for vigour, they are up and sucking in no time.
Offft you're going to upset a certain Suffolk hating, Char breeder on here with comment like this
Some of the easier calving bulls I've used haven't been particularly short gestation.Not sure if it's correlation, or causation.
The easiest-calving sires we've used have been picked for low birthweight, ahead of short gestation?
Interesting.The Charollais sired lambs always go over term and as a result have averaged 0.5Kg more at birth compared to the Suffolks.
We run Speckle Parks and they are generally +5/7 days longer than "average", but who wants to be average! Would rather see it than be itSome of the easier calving bulls I've used haven't been particularly short gestation.
Even birth weight can be misleading, some bulls produce small blocky developed calves, some others with higher birthweight are long streamlined calves that are born easily.
I do agree with you generally though.
Did your Mrs no say they weren’t single sire mated? Just been following her posts like.Easycare was single sire mated to F1 ewe lambs.
Over 50% lambed in the last 4 days.
Easycare ewes single sire mated by inverdale 4 tooth are at 15%.
No data for the Shetland drafts mob mated by inverdale rams, but suspect it is less than the easycares.
Did your Mrs no say they weren’t single sire mated? Just been following her posts like.
Aye ok that makes a wee bit more sense. But I canna understand the whole innovis style genetics patter. Are you no just trying to breed yourself a flock of shedders cheaply by starting off with a wee Cheaply bought shedding (mostly) draft yow. Buying in decent easycare and exlana tups and putting them to the wee island rats and calling them F1 and then putting them back to the shedders again to produce your f2. By F 3,4,5 or whatever you’ve pretty much bred the Shetland oot of them and you have your easycare flock. But I guess you’re hoping to have a wee bit of myomax and inverdale in there as a selling point. What are you hoping to achieve as an end point oot of interest ? Do you see the inverdale as a good thing ? Can it not also have negative effects?The F1 ewe hoggs and 2 tooths lambing now are all out of Shetlands. Those Shetlands were mob mated by twin born easycare, performance recorded easycare (single myomax) and exlana.
The F1 ewe hoggs and 2 tooths from the above breeding were then single sire mated to a performance recorded double myomax easycare. F1 easycare x inverdale were single sire mated by the same ram, but there's only 3 and non of them have lambed yet.
The easycare 2 tooths lambing now were single sire mated by an inverdale ram with single myomax.
The Shetland draft ewes lambing now were mob mated by inverdale rams, some single myomax, some double myomax, some non myomax.
For us, F1 refers to Shetland x any "pure" shedder first cross.
F2 refers to F1 x any "pure" shedder.
I've messaged you on Facebook messenger. I'm banned on Facebook currently so can't post.Aye ok that makes a wee bit more sense. But I canna understand the whole innovis style genetics patter. Are you no just trying to breed yourself a flock of shedders cheaply by starting off with a wee Cheaply bought shedding (mostly) draft yow. Buying in decent easycare and exlana tups and putting them to the wee island rats and calling them F1 and then putting them back to the shedders again to produce your f2. By F 3,4,5 or whatever you’ve pretty much bred the Shetland oot of them and you have your easycare flock. But I guess you’re hoping to have a wee bit of myomax and inverdale in there as a selling point. What are you hoping to achieve as an end point oot of interest ? Do you see the inverdale as a good thing ? Can it not also have negative effects?
Thanks.Good thread @unlacedgecko , I believe I’m actually learning something from the TFF !
Why would you want to scan over 200%? Surely that's above the optimum even if there were no singles?A flock of ewes with the following characteristics
55-60kg
Hair type coat shedders
Excellent feet and teeth
Scan over 200%
Give birth unassisted
Wean triples to commercially viable weights
Rebreed on time
20-25% annual replacement rate
Do all the above solely off grazed forage.
Why would you want to scan over 200%? Surely that's above the optimum even if there were no singles?
On the original thread heading, I've started using Exlana rams the last couple of years and lambs by them will often be birthed up to a week earlier than expected if you went by traditional gestation
Have you ever come across many ewes that consistently wean triplets? I used to leave reasonable numbers of triplets on good ewes but I've come to the conclusion it wrecks the ewe in the long term. Either by ruining her udder or BCS well below the rest of the flock. They never tend to do many lambings after IMO. Would rather £20 in the pocket for a cade/sock lamb and a cracking pairI want to scan over 200% because I want to wean over 200%.
If I'm going to have ewes which can wean triples they must be given the opportunity by lambing triples. Otherwise how else will I identify those ewes?