selling up

puppet said:

I thought my description of an average day for a retired civil servant on £40k was pretty accurate

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ollie989898 said:

Who on this thread has had any kind of dealings or experiences with civil servants?

Forget their salary, their commute or their pension.

Does anyone here want their existence? The bulk of them have no nous, won't even tie their own shoe laces without written approval from someone higher up and spend the bulk of their day in endless and pointless meetings throwing out buzzwords. It's all a game. Not their money, not their life. It's just clock ticking down. None of us here would be able to stick it, we'd all jack it in within days, it's so utterly pointless.

The bulk of the participants of this thread (and possibly the entire forum), should at all times keep an eye on what life really looks like for them and their peers, maintain some off-farm investment (and activities), go on holiday at least once per year (even if it is only 5 minutes down the road to a hotel for 1 night, just do it) AND investigate other income streams and possibly some diversification. You all have assets, skills or experience to some varying degree which puts all of you well above the average joe on the street- look at what you can do to make these work best for you.

This thread should be a source of positivity. The title shouldn't be 'selling up', with all the negative connotations and feelings that such a phrase will generate, it should be 'what next?'

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czechmate said:

But your a baby at 57

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Skintagain said:

Getting pee'd

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kiwi pom said:

Sell the shiny gear to pay for the infrastructure, get contractors in and milk the cows yourself

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ColinV6 said:

You were doing good until the last part

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ollie989898 said:

Who on this thread has had any kind of dealings or experiences with civil servants?

Forget their salary, their commute or their pension.

Does anyone here want their existence? The bulk of them have no nous, won't even tie their own shoe laces without written approval from someone higher up and spend the bulk of their day in endless and pointless meetings throwing out buzzwords. It's all a game. Not their money, not their life. It's just clock ticking down. None of us here would be able to stick it, we'd all jack it in within days, it's so utterly pointless.

The bulk of the participants of this thread (and possibly the entire forum), should at all times keep an eye on what life really looks like for them and their peers, maintain some off-farm investment (and activities), go on holiday at least once per year (even if it is only 5 minutes down the road to a hotel for 1 night, just do it) AND investigate other income streams and possibly some diversification. You all have assets, skills or experience to some varying degree which puts all of you well above the average joe on the street- look at what you can do to make these work best for you.

This thread should be a source of positivity. The title shouldn't be 'selling up', with all the negative connotations and feelings that such a phrase will generate, it should be 'what next?'

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puppet said:

I thought my description of an average day for a retired civil servant on £40k was pretty accurate

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Courier said:

Sooner be pushing up daisies than endless rounds of golf .....

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ollie989898 said:

Who on this thread has had any kind of dealings or experiences with civil servants?

Forget their salary, their commute or their pension.

Does anyone here want their existence? The bulk of them have no nous, won't even tie their own shoe laces without written approval from someone higher up and spend the bulk of their day in endless and pointless meetings throwing out buzzwords. It's all a game. Not their money, not their life. It's just clock ticking down. None of us here would be able to stick it, we'd all jack it in within days, it's so utterly pointless.

The bulk of the participants of this thread (and possibly the entire forum), should at all times keep an eye on what life really looks like for them and their peers, maintain some off-farm investment (and activities), go on holiday at least once per year (even if it is only 5 minutes down the road to a hotel for 1 night, just do it) AND investigate other income streams and possibly some diversification. You all have assets, skills or experience to some varying degree which puts all of you well above the average joe on the street- look at what you can do to make these work best for you.

This thread should be a source of positivity. The title shouldn't be 'selling up', with all the negative connotations and feelings that such a phrase will generate, it should be 'what next?'

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JP1 said:

Yes I've met a good few in person and assisted several teams on Zoom

I've met autonomous policy developers , they are mainly younger than I'd imagined , most bright and , to be fair, quite well briefed.

The periphery is not such a rosy picture ; the political indecision, indifference and meddling, the running sore of NGO's getting their poison and lobbying in place before you actually get to engage yourself and some loony things like interns who suddenly pop up unannounced on Zoom meetings. On the last one the chair of the meeting asked them to turn their cameras and microphones on and introduce themselves. One was studying law and the other a non relevant subject and clearly had no interest in the subject.

Other things I detest is folks refusing to sign or identify themselves in civil service communications , oh and the APHA lady who took part in a zoom meeting, wanted her say at every juncture but refused to be named or have her camera on

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JP1 said:

Yes I've met a good few in person and assisted several teams on Zoom

I've met autonomous policy developers , they are mainly younger than I'd imagined , most bright and , to be fair, quite well briefed.

The periphery is not such a rosy picture ; the political indecision, indifference and meddling, the running sore of NGO's getting their poison and lobbying in place before you actually get to engage yourself and some loony things like interns who suddenly pop up unannounced on Zoom meetings. On the last one the chair of the meeting asked them to turn their cameras and microphones on and introduce themselves. One was studying law and the other a non relevant subject and clearly had no interest in the subject.

Other things I detest is folks refusing to sign or identify themselves in civil service communications , oh and the APHA lady who took part in a zoom meeting, wanted her say at every juncture but refused to be named or have her camera on

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ollie989898 said:

'Autonomous policy developers'? Jaysus.

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Fendt516profi said:

Can you imagine @ColinV6 in the pit and a cow taking a sh!t all down his boiler suit

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kiwi pom said:

Possibly not.
Worth remembering that the shiny machines on a dairy farm are there because the cows paid for them. If the cows go?......

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Hfd Cattle said:

Unfortunately not a healthy one

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Bruce Almighty said:

Not always.
Lots of machinery on many dairy farms nowadays is on the never never, so are some of the cows

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zero said:

I've done a variety of part time jobs over the years and bumped into quite a few ex farmers, themselves doing everything from recycling plant manager to crane drivers, bus driver, even stacking shelves in B&Q. Some were a bit bitter as to how they'd left their farm, some were happy they'd left when they did.
None of them missed the farm though.
The ones that come across happiest have a few buildings and a couple of fields to keep busy on.
Everyone else wished they had a few acres, usually about 15 to 20, nobody has ever said more than 30.
So i guess if you could retire debt free onto 20 ish acres with a house and shed to keep a few vintage toys in. Then perhaps get a part time job for a bit of pocket money, that would be the way to do it...

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Red Fred said:

This is exactly where my thinking is going. I'm nearing 60 with no offspring and the unhelpful new landlord has broken the spell of loyalty to the estate and the idea of farming forever that I used to have. We own a couple of houses and 30 acres, some sheds and a load of old interesting machinery.
I spent a couple of days this week off the farm with my old IH and post hole borer, at Mrs Fred's dad's place in the middle of the dreaded Bournemouth/Poole conurbation, putting up concrete fence posts. I must say I had a whale of a time and thoroughly enjoyed talking to the passers=by. Working with Mrs Fred's brother and the elderly neighbour was a hoot after months of working alone on the farm. One grumpy old bugger came to see what we were doing, ended up stopping for a cuppa, and finally invited us to look inside his house- his wife had left him so he had retired and started collecting classic Ford cars. His former sitting room now had a large double door and contained an RS rally car and a lovely Mk3 Cortina.
I used to wonder what the family would think if I packed up the farm side, but it is obvious both my sisters think I'm bonkers for carrying on.

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JP1 said:

My word choice . Yes civil servants who can make their own decisions and frame policy

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