12 months grass weed attack

Pan mixer

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Near Colchester
Latest boring blackgrass news here;

15 acres of badly infested field inherited from last tenent.

3 years Italian, mowed for silage and hay, no seeding of blackgrass.

2 years of spring barley, min tilled, top 2 inches max. No blackgrass.

same technique 2 inch max min till, wheat in there now, full monty avadex and so on.

Mowing several acres out for silage as the wheat has been swamped by blackgrass :mad:
 

ajd132

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Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
Latest boring blackgrass news here;

15 acres of badly infested field inherited from last tenent.

3 years Italian, mowed for silage and hay, no seeding of blackgrass.

2 years of spring barley, min tilled, top 2 inches max. No blackgrass.

same technique 2 inch max min till, wheat in there now, full monty avadex and so on.

Mowing several acres out for silage as the wheat has been swamped by blackgrass :mad:
Wheat is by far the weak link.
We are barely keeping our heads above water with blackgrass if I’m being honest.
 

Flatlander

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lorette Manitoba
Wheat is by far the weak link.
We are barely keeping our heads above water with blackgrass if I’m being honest.
Just out of interest are you direct drilling. I’m old enough to remember the previous direct drilling fashion of the early 80s. Monsanto must have been giving away direct drills with a pallet of round up. Will be interesting to see if the plough makes a come back when RU gets banned.
 

ajd132

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Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
Just out of interest are you direct drilling. I’m old enough to remember the previous direct drilling fashion of the early 80s. Monsanto must have been giving away direct drills with a pallet of round up. Will be interesting to see if the plough makes a come back when RU gets banned.
Yeh. We used to do cultivating or ripling as you would call it and rotational ploughing but it was worse.
We are better than 5 years ago, but blackgrass evolves. We have probably selected for spring germinating blackgrass seed now with much more spring cropping. It honestly adapts like nothing you have seen.
If roundup got banned then we would need to be much cleverer than just ploughing. My neighbours who plough have just as much blackgrass as me, probably more. Nothing is a silver bullet with blackgrass especially not ploughing, we know from experience.
 

ajd132

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Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
Just out of interest are you direct drilling. I’m old enough to remember the previous direct drilling fashion of the early 80s. Monsanto must have been giving away direct drills with a pallet of round up. Will be interesting to see if the plough makes a come back when RU gets banned.
The roundup-plough argument is a boring one which is irrelevant and the majority on soils with any strength will be using some roundup whatever system they do.
An interesting project we do have coming up is that redekop are installing one of the first seed control units into our combine for a 3 year project. We are seeing a lot of blackgrass congregating in the row behind the combine, so lots must be going through especially on earlier harvested and spring drilled crops.
 

Beefsmith

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You may get 50% germination in that time...50% of what though...

I’m not following at all. Just to clarify what I proposing is after harvest 22 we take our our bad grass weed fields and run a light disc press pass. It greens up and we spray off say end of September. Then go back in with the disc press and then spray off again early December. Then run the disc press again in early April then spray off. Then run the disc press again and spray off again say June. Then run disc press again and spray off again early September. Then maybe once more before seeding wheat in November.

I don’t understand how that will only germinate 50% 🤷🏻‍♂️ As I’m doing far more than I would had it been cropped annually.
 

Humble Village Farmer

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BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
Latest boring blackgrass news here;

15 acres of badly infested field inherited from last tenent.

3 years Italian, mowed for silage and hay, no seeding of blackgrass.

2 years of spring barley, min tilled, top 2 inches max. No blackgrass.

same technique 2 inch max min till, wheat in there now, full monty avadex and so on.

Mowing several acres out for silage as the wheat has been swamped by blackgrass :mad:
We did that once, and I failed to notice that the BG immediately then threw up another seed head. So make sure you are ready to spray of or cultivate soon after you cut to avoid making the same mistake.
 

farenheit

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Location
Midlands
I’m not following at all. Just to clarify what I proposing is after harvest 22 we take our our bad grass weed fields and run a light disc press pass. It greens up and we spray off say end of September. Then go back in with the disc press and then spray off again early December. Then run the disc press again in early April then spray off. Then run the disc press again and spray off again say June. Then run disc press again and spray off again early September. Then maybe once more before seeding wheat in November.

I don’t understand how that will only germinate 50% 🤷🏻‍♂️ As I’m doing far more than I would had it been cropped annually.
It may germinate 95% of the blackgrass in the seedbank. There's still a hell of a lot left. It will do something but you may find a spring crop just as useful.
 

Flatlander

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lorette Manitoba
I’m not following at all. Just to clarify what I proposing is after harvest 22 we take our our bad grass weed fields and run a light disc press pass. It greens up and we spray off say end of September. Then go back in with the disc press and then spray off again early December. Then run the disc press again in early April then spray off. Then run the disc press again and spray off again say June. Then run disc press again and spray off again early September. Then maybe once more before seeding wheat in November.

I don’t understand how that will only germinate 50% 🤷🏻‍♂️ As I’m doing far more than I would had it been cropped annually.
I’d be very careful leaving it two month between spraying. In warm weather I’d think it would throw out a head with seeds in less. Also going to lightly will only leave you a shallow depth of soil to play with once you resume normal practices on the field.
 

ajd132

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Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
I’m not following at all. Just to clarify what I proposing is after harvest 22 we take our our bad grass weed fields and run a light disc press pass. It greens up and we spray off say end of September. Then go back in with the disc press and then spray off again early December. Then run the disc press again in early April then spray off. Then run the disc press again and spray off again say June. Then run disc press again and spray off again early September. Then maybe once more before seeding wheat in November.

I don’t understand how that will only germinate 50% 🤷🏻‍♂️ As I’m doing far more than I would had it been cropped annually.
You will be very disappointed
 
Latest boring blackgrass news here;

15 acres of badly infested field inherited from last tenent.

3 years Italian, mowed for silage and hay, no seeding of blackgrass.

2 years of spring barley, min tilled, top 2 inches max. No blackgrass.

same technique 2 inch max min till, wheat in there now, full monty avadex and so on.

Mowing several acres out for silage as the wheat has been swamped by blackgrass :mad:


Ploughed and strong pre emergence. Not a blackgrass sausage so far. Very happy.

Still got some Italian Ryegrass but we think we got some ideas ... we set crops in hope of a good harvest.
 

Renaultman

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Arable Farmer
Location
Darlington
Spread some wheat, barley and oats on top. Disc &press it in. Roll. Let it grow then mow the whole lot. Swap it with a stock farmer for a pile of muck. Slop the muck in and plant with osr nice and early?
We don't have Black grass but have big issues with resistant Rye grass. We let some, that was in hybrid rye, go to a local dairy farmer for whole crop silage, he took another 2 cuts after. You could see, to the line, where they went last year.
 
What soil type where in the uk

the maths 50%. Then 50% then 50 % then 50% still leaves 6 % for the next year
the glyphosate and the diesel
8 litres £40 plus £4 for water conditioner sprayer diesel cultivation diesel
not a cheap exercise and 6% seed left
 

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