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Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
totally agree, all the factors for the inflation rise starting with gas last September would not of been curbed with higher interest rates.

I think its been broken far to long - 2008 was never sorted really can was just kicked along the road and debt Q/E increased - that was the point of no return for low interest rates I think, you can't raise them significantly without absolutely disastrous consequences

It's going to take some never seen before economic policy to sort this - debt cancelation maybe ? if that sounds unrealistic its effectively what they did for the banks back in 2008
 

Full of bull(s)

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North Yorkshire
Devil's advocate:

Is that 700g of ex-farm milling wheat needed for each customer purchased loaf? Ie taking into waste and byproduct lost everywhere between the 2? I expect a lot falls out of the process along the way, some with value as feed.
The waste is unreal and supermarkets work on sale or return with bakeries. Look how many loads of waste bread KW/Duynie etc sell per week. 20 tonne on an 8 wheeler is 24,000 loaves returned
 

WRXppp

Member
Location
North Yorks
I think its been broken far to long - 2008 was never sorted really can was just kicked along the road and debt Q/E increased - that was the point of no return for low interest rates I think, you can't raise them significantly without absolutely disastrous consequences

It's going to take some never seen before economic policy to sort this - debt cancelation maybe ? if that sounds unrealistic its effectively what they did for the banks back in 2008
There was a programme about the 2010 coalition monetary policy on tv a few weeks back which was very interesting, isn’t the government debt interest tied to inflation rather than interest rates?
being an ex potato grower I have seen a few times when a fight breaks out over a diminishing amount of stock, we now have a few governments going to protectionism acts over certain stocks, interesting times ahead.
 

Werzle

Member
Location
Midlands
I think its been broken far to long - 2008 was never sorted really can was just kicked along the road and debt Q/E increased - that was the point of no return for low interest rates I think, you can't raise them significantly without absolutely disastrous consequences

It's going to take some never seen before economic policy to sort this - debt cancelation maybe ? if that sounds unrealistic its effectively what they did for the banks back in 2008
They could just set a higher rate for any new money borrowed maybe
 

Pilatus

Member
Location
cotswolds
700g of wheat to make a standard loaf of bread. (white)
1428 loaves from a ton.
At 180/t = 12p.
At £400/t = 28p.

I reckon that the cost of running my breadmaker has gone up 7p a standard loaf just from the electricity side.

Contrast this to the cost of running a car or filling up the kero tank and it really is nothing for us in the affluent west. Could cut the cost of bread by mandating everyone buy brown bread. I wouldnt like to hazard a guess at how many households throw away the end crusts of a loaf of white sliced....

There is no point in raising rates. This is all external factors and the only way through is to tighten belts.

For reference, a "strawberry and mint iced tea" at Costa Coffee is £3.20 for almost zero nutritional value. Throw in a cheese toastie and a chocolate tiffin and youve spaffed £9.70 on some fancy water; two slices of bread with some cheese in the middle; and sugar you dont need.
Car washing facilities still seem very busy ,
so still some surplus cash around, so food price’s not causing too much pain for some.;)
 

Pilatus

Member
Location
cotswolds
Slightly off topic.
Ukraine (Russian) railway track inner gauge is 1.520mm and Europes railway track inner gauge is 1.435mm, so makes exporting grain out of Ukraine by railway not so easy as it would first appear :rolleyes:
 
is it ALL waste though - I suspect a lot of unsold bread goes to feed animals etc ?
I used to sell all of my weaners (5 to 600 per week) to a firm that collected and fed waste bread. I was really happy to be part of that process. For various reasons, including it being more profitable to put it in an AD plant, they gave me three weeks notice (counter to contract terms). Tossers.
 

MrNoo

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Cirencester
Slightly off topic.
Ukraine (Russian) railway track inner gauge is 1.520mm and Europes railway track inner gauge is 1.435mm, so makes exporting grain out of Ukraine by railway not so easy as it would first appear :rolleyes:
And also limits Russias ability to attack elsewhere!!
If Ukraine were on 1.435 this attack would have faltered, the Russians have been using rail for their re supplies/supplies. Ukraine starting to dismantle rail bridges with high explosive
 

Pilatus

Member
Location
cotswolds
And also limits Russias ability to attack elsewhere!!
If Ukraine were on 1.435 this attack would have faltered, the Russians have been using rail for their re supplies/supplies. Ukraine starting to dismantle rail bridges with high explosive
Thanks for pointing that out the “double edge sword”, saying has come to me ;)
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Devil's advocate:

Is that 700g of ex-farm milling wheat needed for each customer purchased loaf? Ie taking into waste and byproduct lost everywhere between the 2? I expect a lot falls out of the process along the way, some with value as feed.
Yes. 700g actual ex farm wheat. 25 percent losses as bran etc if you want white bread. Makes 550ish grams of flour.
 

Nitrams

Member
Location
Cornwall
I think its been broken far to long - 2008 was never sorted really can was just kicked along the road and debt Q/E increased - that was the point of no return for low interest rates I think, you can't raise them significantly without absolutely disastrous consequences

It's going to take some never seen before economic policy to sort this - debt cancelation maybe ? if that sounds unrealistic its effectively what they did for the banks back in 2008
Thats the benefit of playing the game in which you set your own rules. I think your right they wil just change the rules and carry on playing kick the can down the road,the alternative is unimaginable to most
 

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