How low would BPS have to go before you stopped claiming it?

T Hectares

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Berkshire
From ‘24 you receive a delinked payment that’s an average of the ‘20-22 claims and entitlements also go then
It should be relatively easy claiming for the last years so why not claim it ??
 

bobk

Member
Location
stafford
They seem too think so. They have taken back the entitlements I had on NT land, claimed it themselves then had the cheek too ask me for 75% of the claim value as well as that was the previous arrangement when I did claim the BPS. But when you’re a blundering whale of an organisation like NT that’s so inefficient it’s unbelievable you need too secure LOTS of funding from somewhere!
Tossers , France have the system spot on , none of this sh!t happens there
 

Nearly

Member
Location
North of York
On 150 acres if payment dropped below £40 an acre then they can all sod off.
I plant trees and hedges and the only person I have to please is me.

But on the other hand I'm renting out family land away from home but still expect acre rents to start with a 2 and 2 more digits.
 

DaveGrohl

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Cumbria
A quote from farm minister Victoria Prentis saying " 10% of BPS claimants receive 50% of the money" ok not great but we all know how BPS works on a acreage basis. She then went on to say that "33% of claimants receive less than £5000" I couldn't believe it, why go through all that ball ache and risk for less than £5k and why didn't the RPA put in a minimum claim size of £5k and cut their workload by 33%?? All a moot point now of course but I had no idea 33% of English farms were small 50ac farms (assuming she's got her facts right).

As BPS reduces at what point would you stop claiming to reduce cost, risk and admin burden??

I think for me it would be a couple of thousand....🤔
Do you think they wouldn’t waste 33% of their time on something else?
 

Bramble

Member
I’d go as low as £5-10/ac. BPS is now relatively painless to claim, no greening etc, not a lot of risk really. A 1-5% potential penalty for a non conformance would be peanuts and probably not even worth pursuing from any RPA point of view.

SFI - taking land out of production, a cost to implement the options, potential penalties as well, it’s a different game altogether. If is less than £25/acre I think I’m not going to bother, I’d rather do my own thing and farm how I want
 

bobk

Member
Location
stafford
I’d go as low as £5-10/ac. BPS is now relatively painless to claim, no greening etc, not a lot of risk really. A 1-5% potential penalty for a non conformance would be peanuts and probably not even worth pursuing from any RPA point of view.

SFI - taking land out of production, a cost to implement the options, potential penalties as well, it’s a different game altogether. If is less than £25/acre I think I’m not going to bother, I’d rather do my own thing and farm how I want
Bob on .
 

Wombat

Member
BASIS
Location
East yorks
Yeah, I think I’ve been getting away lightly with it over the years by remaining the same. It’s an absolute doddle these days, obv can’t speak for anyone else.
We hadn’t changed in 20+yrs, we’re inspected the first 3 yrs of bps (no issues in any) and last year was only the second time we had been paid in Dec, first year of bps it was June so all those who say it’s 10mins of my time and never anything else irritate me slightly, fixing sh!t like the rpa deleting every permanent ineligible feature and then going not our job to fix it was my job to send in a stack of rle1 to put the 60+ of them back :)

remote sensing that constantly changes and removes ex ww2 concrete hut bases depending what day of the week it is and whether they look like grass or concrete or if it’s a day of the week with a Y in it

hence my pain factor is 5k
 
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DaveGrohl

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Cumbria
We hadn’t changed in 20+yrs, we’re inspected the first 3 yrs of bps (no issues in any) and last year was only the second time we had been paid in Dec, first year of bps it was June so all those who say it’s 10mins of my time and never anything else irritate me slightly, fixing sh!t like the rpa deleting every permanent ineligible feature and then going not our job to fix it was my job to send in a stack of rle1 to put the 60+ of them back :)

remote sensing that constantly changes and removes ex ww2 concrete hut bases depending what day of the week it is and whether they look like grass or concrete or if it’s a day of the week with a Y in it

hence my pain factor is 5k
Apols, I’ll get me coat.
 

tepapa

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North Wales
SFI - taking land out of production, a cost to implement the options, potential penalties as well, it’s a different game altogether. If is less than £25/acre I think I’m not going to bother, I’d rather do my own thing and farm how I want
But even then it's £25/acre of either lost production or equivalent cost, so you may be no better off but tied up with rules by joining.
 
Location
Devon
Average BPS claim 3 or so years ago was 18k.

Average cost of doing the checks etc at RPA/ Defra was something like 8/9k per claim.

Under the new scheme ( if it ever sees the light of day ) they are intending to open it up to non farmers and farmers with less than 5 acres or Ha ( Whatever the min is now ) read something about 1 acre being the min they are thinking people can claim on.

As the proposed rules stand then anything less than £30 acre per option under the new scheme will not be worth claiming for!
 

Farmer Ed

Member
Apols, I’ll get me coat.
You're not wrong, it is different for each farm business depending on their individual experiences of the RPA.

It's totally theoretical in reality as it is easier nowadays as we run out the clock.

But I guess my point is there is an unpaid stress and admin cost to these schemes and the fact that people (small family businesses) are willing to forgo money not to do them is a sign that there is zero appetite for them amongst average farmers unless they are for serious cash, which I expect won't be forthcoming unless you're the third Duke of Ponsebury and are putting in 500 miles of hedges or rewilding 4/5 of Wiltshire.
 

Hilly

Member
Id claim £50 if its available. .
Average BPS claim 3 or so years ago was 18k.

Average cost of doing the checks etc at RPA/ Defra was something like 8/9k per claim.

Under the new scheme ( if it ever sees the light of day ) they are intending to open it up to non farmers and farmers with less than 5 acres or Ha ( Whatever the min is now ) read something about 1 acre being the min they are thinking people can claim on.

As the proposed rules stand then anything less than £30 acre per option under the new scheme will not be worth claiming for!
Im already under £30 an acre and have been since bps came in .
 

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