Dealer has Deutz is the problem
Deutz 8280 - The worse purchase of my life!!!
- Thread starter Shitshifter
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Trailers have been on a rolling road and meet HGV spec not BAGMA. They stop the tractors. These tractors are so unreliable it’s untrue
Trailers have been on a rolling road and meet HGV spec not BAGMA. They stop the tractors. These tractors are so unreliable it’s untrue
- Location
- Co antrim
Not the first time its been said on here that deutz warranty and backup is dreadful
- Location
- Northumberlandia
Pains me too say it but from a neighbour who lives n breathes Deutz for last 35yr Deutz UK is nothing like they were back when Watveare was the sole importer of there very good products from the early 80's thru to mid nineties
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Deutz-Fahr GBwill oust Watveare as distributor - Farmers Weekly
11 April 1997 Deutz-Fahr GBwill oust Watveare as distributorBy Andy CollingsOUT goes Watveare and in comes Deutz-Fahr GB. Come July 1, the distribution of
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Trailers have been on a rolling road and meet HGV spec not BAGMA. They stop the tractors. These tractors are so unreliable it’s untrue
livestock 1
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Deutz haven’t made a decent tractor since the old DX
Daniel
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- Location
- Mildenhall, Suffolk
There used to be a chap called James at Deutz UK who was head of service I think. He was very good at sorting things out, he’s left to go to Ben Burgess now but I still have his old phone number, you could try that and see if it gets you through to his replacement?
Chae1
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- Location
- Aberdeenshire
Our agrotron was a good tractor. Brilliant engine loads of torque.
M620 we have now has been good. Nobody wants to drive it. Sits on mixer wagon all winter and goes on drier at harvest. Terrible engine, no torque. No brakes. Very light on backend. Lift setup over complicated.
livestock 1
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I bought an agrotron 4.90s for a job handy well balanced looking tractor
Been pretty hopeless really serious powershift issues which cost thousands to sort out pretty gutless thing needs a driver with time and patience on their hands nothing really good to say about the thing just badly built and designed
Think you'll find the same gearbox is fitted to axion 870 cmatic, which is circa 290hp, so there isn't a problem with Deutz torque through it.
The usual reason for hydrostat cavitation is improper shutdown. They need to idle stationary or they'll be starved of oil and will need to purge after next startup (as it will state in the owner manual, same as letting the turbos on it slow down before switching off ?). You'll have noticed hellish vibrations/juddering trying to pull away, and even when stationary?
Presumably the dealer fitted new door handle tubes to the one piece (frameless) glass doors? They can be twisted trying to haul them shut in a temper, but slight misalignment from the factory is also a well known fault to rectify at PDI. Usually the only issue if missed is a wee leak in the seal. It takes some force to break the things though doesn't it!
Why do Deutz UK say there's no problem if the dealer has rebuilt two already, and you reckon the third gearbox is about to "let go"? There's either a problem mechanically, or a problem with how they're driven. If Deutz UK say there isn't a problem, are they fixing them under warranty, or have they washed their hands of them?
I realise you've started the threads to stir up some shyte, just curious what you're hoping to achieve if you manage? Deutz buy them back off you, or help to trade in against something else? Tricky if Deutz reckon it's abuse and not a design fault?
oil barron
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- Location
- Aberdeenshire
That’s a terrible analogy. Your comparing a high pressure hydraulic system to a lube oil feed. By design there should never be air in the hydrostat regardless of RPM.
Purge valves are fitted in hydrostat transmissions to remove air and prevent cavitation. It's not an analogy, it's fact, and if I could be bothered, I'd post up pictures of my own owners manual where it informs the operator of correct startup and shutdown procedure
Rather than trying to score points off me, aren't you more curious to learn more about why these tractors have failed so spectacularly at such a young age, what Deutz UK have said about them, and what Banks farmers are hoping to achieve stirring shyte on the forum that they've joined solely for that reason?
oil barron
Member
- Location
- Aberdeenshire
Purge valve is there for if you run the prime pump dry. I would struggle to believe the design let’s that happen on every shutdown. If it is then start up procedure is more important than shutdown procedure to let the purge do it’s work before you make the hydrostat work.
Are you positive it’s the same as a Claas Axion?
Gearbox built by Claas Industrietechnik at Paderborn, same as fitted to axion. Deutz fit it to their own transaxle, assembled at the Deutz factory in Lauingen.
So what are Deutz UK saying is the reason for all your failures?
kiwi pom
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- Location
- canterbury NZ
The fact that you know who he is probably isn't a good thing?
kiwi pom
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- Location
- canterbury NZ
What are you using them for? Do the drivers have any training on how to operate them? Are they trying to trash them because they don't like them etc?
Daniel
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- Location
- Mildenhall, Suffolk
The dealership changed hands after we bought the tractor, this caused issues whilst we waited for the new dealership to receive their training...