Boris Johnson unveils ‘grow for Britain’ plan

delilah · Jun 13, 2022

snarling bee said:
I'd like you to elaborate why you think the NFU and the NSA are responsible for the Government's announcements?

Without defending the tone of the post you refer to:
The NFU President was the only person to sit on both of Mr Dimbleby's advisory panels.
His report called for less livestock and for methane masks to be fitted to those we don't get rid of.
His report totally ignored the food chain - the place where all of the environmental damage is caused - and laid the blame squarely with the primary producer.
All of this warmly welcomed by the NFU President.
The NFU are, to answer your question, responsible for Government announcements on farming being to blame, because the NFU advised the Government that it is thus.

Aspiring Peasants · Jun 13, 2022

The NFU seems frightened to really fight our corner over this. Why?

delilah · Jun 13, 2022

Aspiring Peasants said:
The NFU seems frightened to really fight our corner over this. Why?

Because the NFU dont work for you, they work for the cartel. How many times.....

Wolds Beef · Jun 13, 2022

Not a hypocrite.
You are a businessman, and it sounds like a conscientious one at that.
That's one of the troubles with farming, we are being screamed at to do conflicting things, to achieve opposite outcomes, by the same people.

We need to be more productive and have less environmental impact.
We must not rely on subsidy, have the highest standards in the world but not increase the cost of food.
We want open country to walk in and enjoy the view, with millions more trees planted.
We like small farms with personal attachments but all our financial decisions discriminate against them in favour of industrial type premises.

@Janet Hughes Defra
See above last 4 lines, this is why Farmers are so Frustrated. There is no joined up thinking, if the old subsidy system could be transfered to a new one and called a different name you would be on to a winner. The money we got paid did not end up in our pockets but in the local economy. It just kept the wheels turning. Your Boss Mr Eustice should understand this, after all he is a farmers son. At the moment Farmers are scratching there heads and looking at the figures which do not add up while the supermarkets are screwing us for every penny they can get.
WB

Ffermer Bach · Jun 13, 2022

Aspiring Peasants said:
The NFU seems frightened to really fight our corner over this. Why?

we need someone like Bob Crow to lead the NFU, if we did, I would join

Gill Horse · Jun 13, 2022

Steevo said:
Apparently people are even turning their nose up at then when given them for free at food banks.

They claim they can’t afford the energy bill to cook them…!

A friend of mine donates potatoes to a food bank and the guy that collects them often tells him that he doesn't want too many because there's a limited number of people who will take them!!!!!!

I was also told the story that a pallet of baked beans was rejected by a food bank because the lids didn't have ring pulls!!!

J 1177 · Jun 13, 2022

Gill Horse said:
A friend of mine donates potatoes to a food bank and the guy that collects them often tells him that he doesn't want too many because there's a limited number of people who will take them!!!!!!

I was also told the story that a pallet of baked beans was rejected by a food bank because the lids didn't have ring pulls!!!

Cant help some people. I got trays of eggs off a mate that he cant sell, as they only have 3 days use by date on them.
Crack into a mug if it smells iffy dont eat it. People bloody need the hands holding nowadays.

BrianV · Jun 13, 2022

J 1177 said:
Cant help some people. I got trays of eggs off a mate that he cant sell, as they only have 3 days use by date on them.
Crack into a mug if it smells iffy dont eat it. People bloody need the hands holding nowadays.

Just put eggs in a bowl of water, if they float don't eat them they've gone off.

snarling bee · Jun 13, 2022

delilah said:
Without defending the tone of the post you refer to:
The NFU President was the only person to sit on both of Mr Dimbleby's advisory panels.
His report called for less livestock and for methane masks to be fitted to those we don't get rid of.
His report totally ignored the food chain - the place where all of the environmental damage is caused - and laid the blame squarely with the primary producer.
All of this warmly welcomed by the NFU President.
The NFU are, to answer your question, responsible for Government announcements on farming being to blame, because the NFU advised the Government that it is thus.

I think that you are naïve to think that just because an NFU representative talks to Government or sits on a committee that everything they ask for is suddenly Govt policy. I think in general the Dimbleby report was welcomed by Minette, but not every detail. Dimbleby was on TV this morning complaining there was much in his report being ignored by HM Govt.
Not sure I understand your last sentence, but the NFU is NOT responsible for Govt announcements, especially a Prime Minister hanging on by his fingertips.
If you think that going to Govt demanding this and demanding that is going to get results then you need to have a go yourself. Politics is the art of the possible. Often the result of a good deal, or negotiation, is when nobody is happy.

If you honestly believe that ALL of the environmental damage is being done by the food chain, and none by the primary producer, than you need to take your head out of the sand. We all know there is environmental damage being done almost everywhere, and by almost everybody, in the food chain and every other chain you might think of.

Bald Rick · Jun 13, 2022

On Radio 2 now

What a load of bullocks ....... crop picking, heating greenhouses the size of the Millennium dome, etc etc.

'kin morons

Huno · Jun 13, 2022

Aspiring Peasants said:
The NFU seems frightened to really fight our corner over this. Why?

Because Minette Batters want a peerage from the elected Gov prehaps??

Bald Rick · Jun 13, 2022

TBF to Minette she has just spoken well ..... makling the point that the UK grows grass in our temperate climate and that grass sequesters 70% carbon as opposed to 30% from trees.

Won't appease the nutters who I suspect are on next and will have the final word if Whine is true to form

CPF · Jun 13, 2022

Bald Rick said:
TBF to Minette she has just spoken well ..... makling the point that the UK grows grass in our temperate climate and that grass sequesters 70% carbon as opposed to 30% from trees.

That’s because she’s been reading all the comments on TFF

slackjawedyokel · Jun 13, 2022

Wolds Beef said:
Not a hypocrite.
You are a businessman, and it sounds like a conscientious one at that.
That's one of the troubles with farming, we are being screamed at to do conflicting things, to achieve opposite outcomes, by the same people.

We need to be more productive and have less environmental impact.
We must not rely on subsidy, have the highest standards in the world but not increase the cost of food.
We want open country to walk in and enjoy the view, with millions more trees planted.
We like small farms with personal attachments but all our financial decisions discriminate against them in favour of industrial type premises.

@Janet Hughes Defra
See above last 4 lines, this is why Farmers are so Frustrated. There is no joined up thinking, if the old subsidy system could be transfered to a new one and called a different name you would be on to a winner. The money we got paid did not end up in our pockets but in the local economy. It just kept the wheels turning. Your Boss Mr Eustice should understand this, after all he is a farmers son. At the moment Farmers a scratching there heads and looking at the figures which do not add up while the supermarkets are screwing us for every penny they can get.
WB

That’s certainly chiming with me. Spent much of last week in the office churning through paperwork for a forthcoming RT inspection. Lots of new paperwork and policies required, some of which directly cost me money (eg in extra vet input). Who exactly is demanding that UK farmers have the highest standards in the world? I doubt it’s your average punter who wouldn’t recognise a Red Tractor logo, doesn‘t know what it means and certainly wouldn’t pay a premium for it in this time of rising costs.

I tell you what; I know that most employed folks will do bits and bobs outside of their paid hours, but if you gave your average (eg) train-driver an extra week of unpaid work a year the unions would be going wild!

We must be effing mad

Suffolk Serf · Jun 13, 2022

Is there anywhere online that I could actually read this report. I'm fed up with hearing about it secondhand from the media with their own agenda and inability to understand much about anything.

Steevo · Jun 13, 2022

Minette doing the supermarket/governments job for them again….

texelburger · Jun 13, 2022

Bald Rick said:
TBF to Minette she has just spoken well ..... makling the point that the UK grows grass in our temperate climate and that grass sequesters 70% carbon as opposed to 30% from trees.

Won't appease the nutters who I suspect are on next and will have the final word if Whine is true to form

Well I'm pleased she's mention these stats,it's something that anyone with an iota of general knowledge and common sense already knew.What's frightening is all these so called academics/environmentalists don't seem to grasp it,perhaps politics has an influence on them rather than facts.

Humble Village Farmer · Jun 13, 2022

Steevo said:
Minette doing the supermarket/governments job for them again….

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Here she goes again, keeping our produce nice and cheap for the supermarkets, and presumably plentiful so we have to keep buying lots of inputs from her other corporate members.

"Vital that social policies are in place for access to high quality food". Soon there won't be an industry as such, we will just be the production arm of defra's food bank system.

delilah · Jun 13, 2022

Ffermer Bach said:
we need someone like Bob Crow to lead the NFU, if we did, I would join

Bob Crow in his current state of health would do a better job than the NFU are.

Chae1 · Jun 13, 2022

I never heard it, but another farmer I was just speaking too said minnete did a good job of representing farmers on Jeremy whine.

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