Slurry Grant Scheme Autumn 22 for England

BRB John

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BASIS
Location
Aberdeenshire
l did say, at the moment. In any case, l/lord would have to compensate at full value, they didn't read the FBT properly, and a few nice, unusual clauses in there. My solicitor drew the agreement up, due to family difficulties, so good for me, not so good for l/lords
Wait your family solicitor wrote the FBT? Because the landlord had family issues at the time? And now you're going to use it to buy the farm off him?
Is that right? Surely not, if it is that's a real douchebag move.

This is not news for nvz farmers and from all the sketchy things I've heard about non-nvz farmers I'm not surprised that your getting cracked down on...
 

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
Wait your family solicitor wrote the FBT? Because the landlord had family issues at the time? And now you're going to use it to buy the farm off him?
Is that right? Surely not, if it is that's a real douchebag move.

This is not news for nvz farmers and from all the sketchy things I've heard about non-nvz farmers I'm not surprised that your getting cracked down on...
all legal and above board, the family was the l/lords, and as per usual, arguments occur, and agreement is near impossible, and the opinion was it was cheaper for me to FBT, than them, we had 9 versions, before agreement, the best one, for them, was the first, the worst one, was the final one, not my problem. Tried to be fair, to start with.
 

BRB John

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BASIS
Location
Aberdeenshire
all legal and above board, the family was the l/lords, and as per usual, arguments occur, and agreement is near impossible, and the opinion was it was cheaper for me to FBT, than them, we had 9 versions, before agreement, the best one, for them, was the first, the worst one, was the final one, not my problem. Tried to be fair, to start with.
9!
 

early riser

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Location
Up North
So been having a further look into the little detail we have on this scheme.

The main thing that I take from it is that initially the RPA will prioritise projects that have the biggest environmental impact, focusing on those near protected sites.

In other words, it looks as though this scheme will be another postcode lottery jobby just like the current CS Water Capital Grant Scheme, whereby 100% of the funding goes to something like 1% of producers. Not quite the opportunities-for-all scheme its been made out to be.
 
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frederick

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Location
south west
So been having a further look into the little detail we have on this scheme.

The main thing that I take from it is that in the initially the RPA will prioritise projects that have the biggest environmental impact, focusing on those near protected sites.

In other words, it looks as though this scheme will be another postcode lottery jobby just like the current CS Water Capital Grant Scheme, whereby 100% of the funding goes to something like 1% of producers. Not quite the opportunities-for-all scheme its been made out to be.
I think your right but I'm fortunate enough to be the 1% and I can't get a CSF officer near the farm for love nor money so even though I'm able too apply I can't because I can't get a visit.

I think if CSF and natural england are involved it will be a disaster to start with.
 

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
I think your right but I'm fortunate enough to be the 1% and I can't get a CSF officer near the farm for love nor money so even though I'm able too apply I can't because I can't get a visit.

I think if CSF and natural england are involved it will be a disaster to start with.
we went through FWAG, they were 'contracted' to do some of the CSF work.
 

DaveGrohl

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Cumbria
I honestly think they will be fighting to keep farmers farming before too long, can’t see big farm killer policy’s like major slurry lagoon regulation change actually being enforced.
Oh they’ll enforce it alright, then find out too late they’ve done away with too much food production and the country’s really starting to get a bit tense over decades of destruction of farming and lack of food supply. And the rivers are worse than ever.
 

DaveGrohl

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Cumbria
said before, interesting times ahead. We looked at windmills, not a chance, flight line from RNAS Yeovilton. The main reason, the outer edge of the turbine blades, turn at a different speed to the centre, and as they are large, it buggers up the radar system, as with all airports.
Conversion of buildings to houses, solar parks etc, the locals will love us, especially if you can apply, under permitted development, so they can't really interfere !
And you are so right, these could provide alternative income, and no pri#ks telling you what to do, swap them for very hostile, ( and envious ) locals.
As for filling existing lagoon, not compliant, with b waste, quite a profitable thing, the difference between that, and a new lagoon, isn't as great as you would think.
The other point l picked up, all lagoons/storage, have to be compliant by 2030
I’m pretty sure there’s an airport in the UK that has one, poss two, windmills on the airfield. I found this out years ago when we were doing planning. Kind of makes a joke about the whole radar thing.
 

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
I’m pretty sure there’s an airport in the UK that has one, poss two, windmills on the airfield. I found this out years ago when we were doing planning. Kind of makes a joke about the whole radar thing.
friend was ex services, aircraft control, he has/had, a thriving business, doing reports for planning permission, for turbines. Being ex services, he could get answers where others couldn't, he had a map, showing where turbines could, or couldn't be sited, for air traffic reasons. Earnt an awful lot of money from it, most of the bigger l/agent firms used him, for a, yes, no or maybe, and he was very accurate. Stopped when the tariffs dropped, haven't spoken for a while, will ask him if the new 'regs', might start again.
 

DaveGrohl

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Cumbria
friend was ex services, aircraft control, he has/had, a thriving business, doing reports for planning permission, for turbines. Being ex services, he could get answers where others couldn't, he had a map, showing where turbines could, or couldn't be sited, for air traffic reasons. Earnt an awful lot of money from it, most of the bigger l/agent firms used him, for a, yes, no or maybe, and he was very accurate. Stopped when the tariffs dropped, haven't spoken for a while, will ask him if the new 'regs', might start again.
My planning guy seemed to have a similar chap from the sounds of things. Waiting for official answers was eternal, prob wouldn’t have had any answers still to this day without him. There’s a bit more momentum behind turbines again within MPs but not yet enough to sway a vote as demonstrated recently.
 

early riser

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Location
Up North
I think your right but I'm fortunate enough to be the 1% and I can't get a CSF officer near the farm for love nor money so even though I'm able too apply I can't because I can't get a visit.

I think if CSF and natural england are involved it will be a disaster to start with.

I'm also actually in a high priority area as per Magic Maps, but cannot get CSF officer support for any proposals.

In this part of the world there is intensive dairy and pig producers producing large volumes of slurry that can access zero support, yet a few miles up the road the hobby/lifestyle/suckler/sheep men with zero slurry have had whole new yards out of the job to park their cars on

Zero environmental benefit and a criminal waste of taxpayer money @Janet Hughes Defra
 

early riser

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Location
Up North
Speaking with my local Environment Agency officer this week has also thrown up more questions than answers.

On the one hand, we are told that all stores must be fitted with an 'impermeable' cover, but yet slurry under slatted buildings, as per the majority of pig buildings in this area, is fine.

So which is it, because last time I looked a slatted floor has lots of gaps in it.........................

If I total up all the gaps in a slatted floor, what proportion of the area is open for gas escape?

Taking this logic further, does that mean that I only have to cover my open lagoon by the same proportion if I wish to have an area of it uncovered to scrape into via gravity?

Will Defra be funding slatted tanks on the scheme if they supposedly meet the standard??

Answers on a postcard please :ROFLMAO:
 

vantage

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Pembs
Speaking with my local Environment Agency officer this week has also thrown up more questions than answers.

On the one hand, we are told that all stores must be fitted with an 'impermeable' cover, but yet slurry under slatted buildings, as per the majority of pig buildings in this area, is fine.

So which is it, because last time I looked a slatted floor has lots of gaps in it.........................

If I total up all the gaps in a slatted floor, what proportion of the area is open for gas escape?

Taking this logic further, does that mean that I only have to cover my open lagoon by the same proportion if I wish to have an area of it uncovered to scrape into via gravity?

Will Defra be funding slatted tanks on the scheme if they supposedly meet the standard??

Answers on a postcard please :ROFLMAO:
A bit like SUDS approval for yard coverage. WAG need to know how the clean water flow is going to be dealt with and “ slowed ” down for discharge. Alternatively keep cattle off the yard, jobs a good un !
WTF do we need SUDS for, sure the clue is in the name, Sustainable URBAN drainage scheme!
 

2tractors

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Location
Cornwall
Last I heard it was sat on the DEFRA ministers desk, but of course there have been two new ministers recently. Expect it will be announced as part of the DEFRA review, likely to be post the financial statement due next week.
 

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