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- Pembrokeshire
Back to your figures again,which are all well and good in a perfect world
Teat dip
- Thread starter Jdunn55
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Jdunn55
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- Helston, cornwall
I'm genuinely really confused??
I've spent the past 18 months being told I'm spending too much money so I'm trying to cut out all the unnecessary purchases and now it's going to be a disaster?
Jdunn55
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- Helston, cornwall
I'm literally cutting cake out which is what you've been telling me to do??
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- Pembrokeshire
Cut cake at the right times but not 5/6 weeks into your service period
Your biggest problem is there’s no middle ground it’s all or nothing
If I’d have cut cake and had cows loose 15/20 lts it would have been put back in
You wouldn’t be far over your peak yield and I was told leave cake alone to 120 days
Your biggest problem is there’s no middle ground it’s all or nothing
If I’d have cut cake and had cows loose 15/20 lts it would have been put back in
You wouldn’t be far over your peak yield and I was told leave cake alone to 120 days
Holsteinfriesian90
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- Cornwall
But that’s like driving at 100mph and then slamming the brakes on. Everything in moderation. I know we have all had to think about costs with the price of everything but don’t be penny wise and pound foolish.
Jdunn55
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- Helston, cornwall
When I put my figures for last month in the milk price tracker everyone said I was feeding way too much cake, I've cut cake back because of the advice on there and I'm now being told I shouldn't have done that?
So what do I do now? Put them back up? The springs are on 4-8kg depending on yield currently, and autumns on 1 or 2 depending on when they're due to go dry
You were talking about bulls into Ai, but now no recording ( I would assume a red flag to an ai company ) potentially low yields, high scc and affected fertility?
I’m sure Roddas will be pleased to know about your plant hygiene as they have a high emphasis on low bactoscan and I hope you don’t look for their help if the wheels fall off your milk hygiene.
There seems considerable chance for losing more than you could save imho
You bought heifers from a high yielding Holstein herd are you going to sell these or calve them onto a system where they’ll probably melt into oblivion. Rather than asking on here choose the system you want to run, you seem to flip flop back and forth so nothing will ever settle to let you know if it’s right or wrong.
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- M6 Hard shoulder
Firstly you need to decide what system suits you, your farm and your milk contract secondly you need to have the type of cow that suits you, your farm and your milk contract.
at the moment i dont think you truly have either
Edited it for you
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- Pembrokeshire
I’m all for cutting back on cake but there’s a time and place to do it
If you cut cake and milk stays the same they were getting to much but if you loose 15/20 litres on some cows then either your grazing management was bad or they needed the cake
TheRanger
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- SW Scotland
A hot circulation wash once a day is a relatively widespread concept, and if done correctly shouldn’t compromise plant hygiene. It will also save plenty of money if water is heated by electricity at 30-40p/kWh.
- Location
- Wormingford, Essex
Trouble is, how do you know which half of the advice to ignore?
And thinking some more, should the advice to ignore advice, be ignored also?
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- Pembrokeshire
I think the hot circulation was going to be done weekly rather than daily
i dont get this statement”you’ve cut 2 kilos of cake and the ration isn’t balanced anymore”
And what’s acid buffer and why aren’t minerals balanced
TheRanger
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- SW Scotland
okay so the post says “hot wash every other morning” so 1 in 4. Personally I wouldn't recommend that, but if trying it, make sure to keep a close eye on plant cleanliness @Jdunn55. If you’ve high BF content, you may run into issues.
Alternating hot and cold 1/1 should be no issue. I know one neighbour milking 3x per day doing 1 hot/chemical, 1 cold/acid and 1 cold/hypo, Has worked fine for a number of years.
Spudley
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- Pembrokeshire
We only hot wash in the morning and it's ok
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- Pembrokeshire
My mistake
- Location
- Pembrokeshire
And only using chemical one wash a day
TheRanger
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- SW Scotland
Yeah I would recommend putting a dash of hypo in your daily cold wash @Jdunn55, pennies in the grand scheme of things. And do a cold wash with a strong acid once a week at least to stop milk scale build up. But good on you for trying to cut costs, some things will work others wont. We’ve been through it all here when we were getting low teens ppl, so know what works for us and what didn't.
We dont use a post milking teat spray while out or housed, with below average cases of mastitis and SSC mostly below 120 (average yield is 8000L, but there is a spread from 6k-10k). Cubicles are bedded daily with lime and kiln dried sawdust, so that probably helps.
To be fair I hot wash AM then cold wash PM with hypo, often question what the hypo does though as water goes through a UV filter, guess i use it as an insurance but often think maybe i should just try it without.
TheRanger
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- SW Scotland
They hypo sterilises the pipework, and stops any bacteria growing while the plant is doing nothing for the next 8-10 hours. Definitely worth using on a cost benefit basis.