Beef / Lamb & Pig Price Tracker

Frank-the-Wool

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
What imaginative minds some people have.

EID was put in place post FMD 2001 as a traceability system for sheep. Plenty would say it has never worked for the average commercial farmer who sold everything dead weight, but that is a discussion on its own.
Some farmers use it as a management tool, but it is not compulsory.

Cattle EID is still not compulsory, but some are using it as a management tool to speed up recording of individual actions/medicines, which is a statutory requirement anyway. The single greatest issue with cattle EID is that the present numbering system is separate to the number on the chip in the tag, so you have to use a separate piece of software to translate to the wysiwyg tag.

It is true that LIS appears to be becoming a very expensive white elephant, but all this talk of farmers being charged to use it are just that. It is a statutory requirement to record movements of all classes of livestock. The government contracts for ARAMS and BCMS were both due for renewal. ARAMS was in the end a functional system but lacked any live traceability so in fact in the event of another major disease outbreak was useless, it also required large quantities of paper to make it work.

BCMS has in the end, after many years become a reasonably effective system, however it is very expensive to run and the software, which belongs to IBM costs a fortune to maintain. There were some major issues with it over the accuracy of the information held, especially relating to deaths. However those of us who use other software systems for our records can do a reconciliation to ensure the data held by BCMS is 100% correct.

LIS is very late being introduced and I am told has now cost far more than originally envisaged. One of the main reasons it won't work is that it was originally designed to be a paperless system. I am told that it will still need paper movement licences, which while comforting to have, is in todays digital age an unnecessary complication and cost. It also slows down the traceability system.

When I was involved with the forerunner of LIS, there were a few simple things that should have been done to give farmers confidence in the system and transfer a benefit to them.
Firstly, once it was up and running the need for the 6 day standstill on all livestock on a farm apart from those that were brought in would no longer be required. (Accurate recording better than the present system!) Secondly having a paperless system that worked in real time should be far more accurate and give an opportunity for farmers to see accurate records of livestock killed.
Farmers should have access to their own records and a training system put in place to show how to access everything. The data should still belong to each individual farmer.
A simple one view portal for all livestock movements that can be input and read from a mobile phone was all that was required! Yes there are a small number of farmers who don't have access to this technology but there are ways around it for the very small number of these peole today.

Just to put the record straight, this whole project of LIS has been government led (DEFRA), yes AHDB has had a significant input, NFU has had no more influence than the LAA (Livestock Auctioneers Association) and others from the abattoir sector.
 
Summary of Skipton - yesterday. I think this is one of the better mart reports for useful detail


2,275 Prime Sheep comprising 1082 Spring Lambs, 634 Hoggs & 534 Cast Ewes & 25 Rams

A similar show of Springers forward today, and trade was much sharper than most expected, but with numbers tight at the moment trade took a nice lift of around 7p on the week, liveweight prices up today whilst local deadweight outlets are bidding about 20p less this week! Sell Live and Thrive.

N/S LAMBS.
So a sharper trade, with heavier lambs weighing late 40’s or into the 50’s very good to sell indeed. The 46kg to 52kg bracket levelling at £164.57, and over 52kg’s at £181.79

Joint top price today was £215 per head, first achieved by M Crabtree of Kettlesing and then by JA Gibson & Son of Church Fenton, Tadcaster being purchased by L. Brown and Hartshead Meat Co respectively.

D&L Coar of Darwen peaked their run at £192 when selling 47KG Beltex crosses at 408p to Vivers Scotlamb.

Tim Robinson of Dutton Longridge was in the top prices as well with lambs at £190 and £188 per head, with 19 pens of lambs in the sale making £180 or more. 47 pens made over £170 and 69 pens over £160.

Top Kilo price in the sale was 413.3p when D&L Coar sold 45kg lambs at £186, alongside their others at 408p.

GW Houseman & Prtnrs of Padside, Harrogate topped a run of lambs at 400p when sellig 42kg at £168 to Vivers Scotlamb. Quality lambs like these were in great demand with 68 pens over 350p, and a straight 100 pens at 340p or more. All Texel Lambs in the sale averaged £140.75.

The mainstream weight category of 36kg to 45kg shows a 6p rise on the week with buyers keener for commercial handyweight springers.


O/S LAMBS
A very good late season entry of 634 Hoggs penned for sale with a very mixed selection on offer. Best heavies generally in the £140’s and £150’s, good Continental handyweights 270p to 300p, midle of the road goods either side of 250p, plainer end 220p 240p, sheep with faults at realisation.

Messrs Stapleton and Son of Hellifield topped the sale at £180 (60kg 300p) purchased by Joe Bosworth.
Simon and Avril Wallbank of Bradley made £178 of Texel crosses.
J Long of Malhamdale also made 300p (40kg £120). Kevin Marshall of Menwith Hill had 295p for Mules (40kg £118).

Hoggs needed every week with some outlets still using them and requiring them a few more weeks yet. Speak to Ted or Kyle for more details.



Spring Lambs – Overall Average £139.44 per head or 326.7p/kg

32.1kg to 35.9kg to 320.6p/kg av 312.89p/kg or £107.50 per head

36.0kg to 45.5kg to 413.3p/kg av 323.3p/kg or £134.98 per head

45.6kg to 52.0kg to 408.5p/kg av 344.4p/kg or £164.57 per head

52.1kg and over to 377.2p/kg av 333.2p/kg or £181.79 per head



Beltex average £178.70 per head or 367.6p/kg

Texel average £140.75 per head or 330.7p/kg

Suffolk average £136.20 per head or 319p/kg

Charolais average £124.45 per head or 315p/kg

Mule average £132 per head or 300.0p/kg

Down average £140 per head or 333.3p/kg



634 Prime & Mature Hoggs – Overall Average £110.89 per head or 238.3p/kg

32.1kg to 35.9kg to 244p/kg av 218p/kg or £79.63 per head

36.0kg to 45.5kg to 300p/kg av 244p/kg or £102.49 per head

45.6kg to 52.0kg to 289p/kg av 234p/kg or £115.89 per head

52.1kg and over to 300p/kg av 236p/kg or £135.75 per head
 

Al R

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
West Wales
What imaginative minds some people have.

EID was put in place post FMD 2001 as a traceability system for sheep. Plenty would say it has never worked for the average commercial farmer who sold everything dead weight, but that is a discussion on its own.
Some farmers use it as a management tool, but it is not compulsory.

Cattle EID is still not compulsory, but some are using it as a management tool to speed up recording of individual actions/medicines, which is a statutory requirement anyway. The single greatest issue with cattle EID is that the present numbering system is separate to the number on the chip in the tag, so you have to use a separate piece of software to translate to the wysiwyg tag.

It is true that LIS appears to be becoming a very expensive white elephant, but all this talk of farmers being charged to use it are just that. It is a statutory requirement to record movements of all classes of livestock. The government contracts for ARAMS and BCMS were both due for renewal. ARAMS was in the end a functional system but lacked any live traceability so in fact in the event of another major disease outbreak was useless, it also required large quantities of paper to make it work.

BCMS has in the end, after many years become a reasonably effective system, however it is very expensive to run and the software, which belongs to IBM costs a fortune to maintain. There were some major issues with it over the accuracy of the information held, especially relating to deaths. However those of us who use other software systems for our records can do a reconciliation to ensure the data held by BCMS is 100% correct.

LIS is very late being introduced and I am told has now cost far more than originally envisaged. One of the main reasons it won't work is that it was originally designed to be a paperless system. I am told that it will still need paper movement licences, which while comforting to have, is in todays digital age an unnecessary complication and cost. It also slows down the traceability system.

When I was involved with the forerunner of LIS, there were a few simple things that should have been done to give farmers confidence in the system and transfer a benefit to them.
Firstly, once it was up and running the need for the 6 day standstill on all livestock on a farm apart from those that were brought in would no longer be required. (Accurate recording better than the present system!) Secondly having a paperless system that worked in real time should be far more accurate and give an opportunity for farmers to see accurate records of livestock killed.
Farmers should have access to their own records and a training system put in place to show how to access everything. The data should still belong to each individual farmer.
A simple one view portal for all livestock movements that can be input and read from a mobile phone was all that was required! Yes there are a small number of farmers who don't have access to this technology but there are ways around it for the very small number of these peole today.

Just to put the record straight, this whole project of LIS has been government led (DEFRA), yes AHDB has had a significant input, NFU has had no more influence than the LAA (Livestock Auctioneers Association) and others from the abattoir sector.
You spent “people” wrong
 

Northern territory

Member
Livestock Farmer
What imaginative minds some people have.

EID was put in place post FMD 2001 as a traceability system for sheep. Plenty would say it has never worked for the average commercial farmer who sold everything dead weight, but that is a discussion on its own.
Some farmers use it as a management tool, but it is not compulsory.

Cattle EID is still not compulsory, but some are using it as a management tool to speed up recording of individual actions/medicines, which is a statutory requirement anyway. The single greatest issue with cattle EID is that the present numbering system is separate to the number on the chip in the tag, so you have to use a separate piece of software to translate to the wysiwyg tag.

It is true that LIS appears to be becoming a very expensive white elephant, but all this talk of farmers being charged to use it are just that. It is a statutory requirement to record movements of all classes of livestock. The government contracts for ARAMS and BCMS were both due for renewal. ARAMS was in the end a functional system but lacked any live traceability so in fact in the event of another major disease outbreak was useless, it also required large quantities of paper to make it work.

BCMS has in the end, after many years become a reasonably effective system, however it is very expensive to run and the software, which belongs to IBM costs a fortune to maintain. There were some major issues with it over the accuracy of the information held, especially relating to deaths. However those of us who use other software systems for our records can do a reconciliation to ensure the data held by BCMS is 100% correct.

LIS is very late being introduced and I am told has now cost far more than originally envisaged. One of the main reasons it won't work is that it was originally designed to be a paperless system. I am told that it will still need paper movement licences, which while comforting to have, is in todays digital age an unnecessary complication and cost. It also slows down the traceability system.

When I was involved with the forerunner of LIS, there were a few simple things that should have been done to give farmers confidence in the system and transfer a benefit to them.
Firstly, once it was up and running the need for the 6 day standstill on all livestock on a farm apart from those that were brought in would no longer be required. (Accurate recording better than the present system!) Secondly having a paperless system that worked in real time should be far more accurate and give an opportunity for farmers to see accurate records of livestock killed.
Farmers should have access to their own records and a training system put in place to show how to access everything. The data should still belong to each individual farmer.
A simple one view portal for all livestock movements that can be input and read from a mobile phone was all that was required! Yes there are a small number of farmers who don't have access to this technology but there are ways around it for the very small number of these peole today.

Just to put the record straight, this whole project of LIS has been government led (DEFRA), yes AHDB has had a significant input, NFU has had no more influence than the LAA (Livestock Auctioneers Association) and others from the abattoir sector.
So what about all this live vet records for individual ID’s. That’s a game changer if true.
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
What imaginative minds some people have.

EID was put in place post FMD 2001 as a traceability system for sheep. Plenty would say it has never worked for the average commercial farmer who sold everything dead weight, but that is a discussion on its own.
Some farmers use it as a management tool, but it is not compulsory.

Cattle EID is still not compulsory, but some are using it as a management tool to speed up recording of individual actions/medicines, which is a statutory requirement anyway. The single greatest issue with cattle EID is that the present numbering system is separate to the number on the chip in the tag, so you have to use a separate piece of software to translate to the wysiwyg tag.

It is true that LIS appears to be becoming a very expensive white elephant, but all this talk of farmers being charged to use it are just that. It is a statutory requirement to record movements of all classes of livestock. The government contracts for ARAMS and BCMS were both due for renewal. ARAMS was in the end a functional system but lacked any live traceability so in fact in the event of another major disease outbreak was useless, it also required large quantities of paper to make it work.

BCMS has in the end, after many years become a reasonably effective system, however it is very expensive to run and the software, which belongs to IBM costs a fortune to maintain. There were some major issues with it over the accuracy of the information held, especially relating to deaths. However those of us who use other software systems for our records can do a reconciliation to ensure the data held by BCMS is 100% correct.

LIS is very late being introduced and I am told has now cost far more than originally envisaged. One of the main reasons it won't work is that it was originally designed to be a paperless system. I am told that it will still need paper movement licences, which while comforting to have, is in todays digital age an unnecessary complication and cost. It also slows down the traceability system.

When I was involved with the forerunner of LIS, there were a few simple things that should have been done to give farmers confidence in the system and transfer a benefit to them.
Firstly, once it was up and running the need for the 6 day standstill on all livestock on a farm apart from those that were brought in would no longer be required. (Accurate recording better than the present system!) Secondly having a paperless system that worked in real time should be far more accurate and give an opportunity for farmers to see accurate records of livestock killed.
Farmers should have access to their own records and a training system put in place to show how to access everything. The data should still belong to each individual farmer.
A simple one view portal for all livestock movements that can be input and read from a mobile phone was all that was required! Yes there are a small number of farmers who don't have access to this technology but there are ways around it for the very small number of these peole today.

Just to put the record straight, this whole project of LIS has been government led (DEFRA), yes AHDB has had a significant input, NFU has had no more influence than the LAA (Livestock Auctioneers Association) and others from the abattoir sector.
Nart different to normal then ;)
 

Hilly

Member
He posted what he thinks himself and that was : I do not give a sh!t about the sheep sector because i do not farm sheep.

And the above is from a very senior NFU office or ex office holder who has held in the past jobs/ positions within the NFU that would represent sheep farmers..

Words really fail me and no way anyone either pro or anti NFU could defend AN Gofs comments tonight on this thread!!
It did look like that . Why folk pay subs is beyond me, they sneakily work for the government not us .
 

Hilly

Member
I used too pay subs because I had money invested with them… but I drew that out an invested it in sheep so not paid subs for 12 months and can’t say Iv noticed the difference the sheep loose me just as much money 😅😂
I used to pay for a small time scale because o got cheaper insurance from the mutual , now i have found better cover cheaper i dont pay but now i know more about them they will never have any money off me again.
 

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