Dealing with depression - suicidal thoughts - Join the conversation (including helpline details)
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@Bokey quite why I don't expect the same sensibilities from 100++ years ago, I'm not sure - but for some reason I don't, even though Shakespeare managed to make himself clear and as few others since.
On a wall at Wymondham Abbey there is a plaque and it reads ….
Near to this place are deposited the remains
………...of JOHN CANN Gent.
………..,He Departed this Life
…………..March 7th. 1793
Dear reader ~ Immitate his virtues
……….and forget his faults.
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On a wall at Wymondham Abbey there is a plaque and it reads ….
Near to this place are deposited the remains
………...of JOHN CANN Gent.
………..,He Departed this Life
…………..March 7th. 1793
Dear reader ~ Immitate his virtues
……….and forget his faults.
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This is one of George Fox's journal entries. A tormented soul he had. It's where Quakers get the phrase "openings" or those moments where God / your inner voice / whatever you call it speaks directly to you. Often at moments of great difficulty or conflict, to guide you in a new direction.
"I was under great temptations sometimes, and my inward sufferings were heavy; but I could find none to open my condition to but the Lord alone, unto whom I cried night and day. And I went back into Nottinghamshire, and there the Lord shewed me that the natures of those things which were hurtful without, were within in the hearts and minds of wicked men… And I cried to the Lord, saying, ‘Why should I be thus, seeing I was never addicted to commit those evils?’ And the Lord answered that it was needful I should have a sense of all conditions, how else should I speak to all conditions; and in this I saw the infinite love of God. I saw also that there was an ocean of darkness and death, but an infinite ocean of light and love, which flowed over the ocean of darkness. And in that also I saw the infinite love of God; and I had great openings."
Journal, 1647
"I was under great temptations sometimes, and my inward sufferings were heavy; but I could find none to open my condition to but the Lord alone, unto whom I cried night and day. And I went back into Nottinghamshire, and there the Lord shewed me that the natures of those things which were hurtful without, were within in the hearts and minds of wicked men… And I cried to the Lord, saying, ‘Why should I be thus, seeing I was never addicted to commit those evils?’ And the Lord answered that it was needful I should have a sense of all conditions, how else should I speak to all conditions; and in this I saw the infinite love of God. I saw also that there was an ocean of darkness and death, but an infinite ocean of light and love, which flowed over the ocean of darkness. And in that also I saw the infinite love of God; and I had great openings."
Journal, 1647
Would you class yourself a Quaker ?@teslacoils my family were from a long time ago
Modern society thinks itself much smarter and superior over our past ancestors but in reality our minds still work exactly the same
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Yes, I am. Or I try.
Christoph1945
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When things are at their darkest and we can see no way ahead, or out, it can be simply that we are facing the wrong way. Way back in the seventies, whilst stationed out in Turkey, my wife and I visited the ancient city of Ephesus and a young local boy took us into the cave of the seven sleepers, and as we walked deeper in and the darkness progressed to envelop us we couldn't even see a hand in front of our faces.
We eventually arrived at a dead end and could progress no further. The comforting voice of the youngster bade us turn around and instantly we were able to see shadows and a light way off at the entrance. The return walk to the entrance was accompanied by much more confidence, less stumbling, and a sense of relief.
But having written the above I am reminded of the story of a psychiatrist who was counselling a patient, and he said to him ......... you have been trapped in a very dark tunnel for a very long time but you have now turned around and you are able to see a light at the other end of the tunnel .......... can you see that light?
The quick reply from the patient was ........ yes, and it's an express train heading this way!
Sometimes fear of the light can keep us in darkness!
We eventually arrived at a dead end and could progress no further. The comforting voice of the youngster bade us turn around and instantly we were able to see shadows and a light way off at the entrance. The return walk to the entrance was accompanied by much more confidence, less stumbling, and a sense of relief.
But having written the above I am reminded of the story of a psychiatrist who was counselling a patient, and he said to him ......... you have been trapped in a very dark tunnel for a very long time but you have now turned around and you are able to see a light at the other end of the tunnel .......... can you see that light?
The quick reply from the patient was ........ yes, and it's an express train heading this way!
Sometimes fear of the light can keep us in darkness!
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Unfortunately it looks like I'm having a "moment". Fingers crossed it goes away soon.
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- Limousin/Charentes toad land
good luck and all the best
Christoph1945
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Any chance that you can describe the moment; or perhaps, what went before it?
You do know that the moment will pass but I know that such trite statements are not always of much help!
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Take your time.
Christoph1945
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Or break, likewise; regardless of wealth, standing, or nationality!
This can be a funny time. April and May are usually flat out, any jobs that were missed are now caught up with and theres just a lull - or as I experienced a hole that I fell in and found difficult to climb out.
Such is the nature of farming I'm not very good at not going 100mph.
Such is the nature of farming I'm not very good at not going 100mph.
Lili
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- Aberystwyth hinterland
Take care and hope "it" soon passes.
I think that's my problem to I start overthinking when I'm not flat out en knackered iv started applying for jobs off farm iv got my first interview friday
fingers crossed I get it en then still farm in-between it sounds strange but I think I operate better under stress
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There's a lot in there.
"Whatever we resist, persists" I believe...
sometimes it's more effective (or feels more effective) to just choose being depressed than "pushing it away" as we find we're just pushing it in front of us. That's why denial is the first sign of a problem.
It's better to choose living with depression than dying from the feelings it gives us,, glad you guys are all still here
early riser
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As bad as it sounds, as the years go by I’ve come to realise that I’m very much like a Holstein cow……. I thrive on routine
And me. I can deal with everything thrown at me so long as I knew where I was supposed to be originally. I like waking up and pretty much going straight to work or doing something. I can waste an inordinate amount of time dozing in bed given half a chance and it doesn't achieve anything
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The run up to harvest is a dodgy time. Have I done enough to check the combine over? Well I’ve probably never done enough on that front if I read every page of the manual. Then there’s a bit of hay making that interjects.